Of all the quips and slam dunk quotes from the church fathers, this one from Saint Jerome has to be the top 3:
“I was requested to reply to a pamphlet from Helvidius. I have deferred doing so, not because it’s difficult to maintain the truth & refute an ignorant boor who has scarce known the first glimmer of learning, but because I am afraid my reply will make him appear worth defeating”
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This letter was addressing Helvidius’s writings on the Virgin Mother. The entire letter from St. Jerome is just fire to paper
You call a business for customer service and they have an AI agent who can’t help you with what you need. You say customer service representative over and over for 10 min. They finally put you through to a human and it’s an Indian who barely speaks English. Our country sucks.
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Run for office on the single policy of requiring American customer service for all companies.
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The Jesuits will be visiting your wife soon 😤
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Why? To tell her it’s wrong to be mean to gay frogs?
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It’s good when we do it, bad when they do it. I thought you knew the rules.
Stupid yet based?
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"As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs" is my favorite Catholic traditions
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My wife said she didn’t like the idea of selling indulgences and I almost called the inquisitors
Guy cuts me off. I honk. He gives me the finger. I yell at him and give the finger and whip a u turn to try and catch him to beat his ass or get my ass beat. Thank God I don’t find him. Please pray for my anger. It’s getting worse.
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Frogs can drive?
The Mormon endowment ceremony teaches that when Jesus was crucified, he was pierced with two nails in each arm: one in his palm and one in his wrist.
The Shroud of Turin, though, proves that there was only one nail in each arm, about halfway between the palm and the wrist.
You’re entitled to the view. Color me a little more skeptical.
youtu.be/XHgqkP-Nws4?is=H3Ih…
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If you’re going to provide a source for your skepticism maybe don’t use the guy no one respects and says blatantly false stuff even about Mormonism.
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No worries. Doing just a little quick questioning on this method, I think there’s still room to be cautious.
youtu.be/z0GS6rbXYDU?is=oypK…
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Of course, there always is with something that old. The evidence just lends itself to more likely than not in my eyes.
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Ok, but aren’t you overstating what the researchers said, just a little… ?
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My apologies Scott, that’s a study about the fabric and where it’s been showing that it’s from the Middle East. I guess I didn’t realize another study was conducted recently. Here’s the one from 22 showing its age. dsctm.cnr.it/images/Highligh…
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When was it proven to be from 1st century Judea?
I’m aware of the speculation on a repaired corner, and that could plausibility account for the late dating of the edge fabric, but I wasn’t aware of anything that proves an earlier date.
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vaticannews.va/en/church/new… sciencedaily.com/releases/20…
Here’s a Vatican website and a science daily website, as to not appear too bias even though the first site links the study as well.
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Seeing as how it has been proven to be from 1st century Judea and the only study showing it’s from the Middle Ages came from testing a repaired portion of the shroud and there’s no technology from that time period that could create such an artifact, I don’t see a forgery.
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I also think Mormonism is false, but y’all’s opinion that he was nailed twice is the least of the reasons why. I also dont think two nails vs one really makes a difference either.
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Zooming in, let’s take a closer look. In the palm you see a dark spot. Now remember, this hand isn’t laying flat, it’s over the opposite hand. That means this wrist is cocked so that the hand contours over the arm. Picture how blood would drain from such a hand if the hole was in the palm.
It wouldn’t likely drain evenly all around the wound, it would drain from the lowest point of the wound. The dark area in the wrist - to me at least - suggests that the imprint of a hole is intended to be seen here.
Just my $.02, but I think even if you assume that the relic is authentic, it’s difficult to claim with absolute certainty that the hole is further down - not in the palm. Certainly possible, but not possibly absolutely certain.
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I call the lunate bone part of the palm, it very much looks to be at the intersection of the Lunate, Scaphoid, and Capitate bones. Which is very much the palm.
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Possibly. 🤷♂️
Or the blood drained downward from a higher hole.
Or the blood ran out while positioning him from a hole in the wrist.
And if this is really the burial cloth, why would we expect blood there at all? Again - you can make assumptions, but that’s about it.
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You can see the direction the blood is draining in the shroud. It seems to me that you don’t like it because it disproves your position, the same way Protestants don’t like it.
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My understanding is that this is purported to be a bloodstain on the cloth, right?
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Yes, a blood stain showing the location of the nail wound. It shows the wound being in his palm down towards the base, around the lunate and scaphoid bones. You can see the whipping marks on his arms in that photo too.
I think when I hit 1000 follows I’ll have a scandal that nukes my account. Any ideas, fellas? (Not doing the trans thing).
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Don’t-
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Is there a reason they went with just the jaw and now his whole head?
I don’t really have a dog in this fight, I haven’t studied the stigmata that much but I can respect the reverence many Catholics have in their belief of it being a legitimate mystical connection to Christ. Just was pushing back a little on your statement that they align with the shroud, as my interpretation is they don’t that closely. Totally fine if you’re saying it isn’t important—but it sounded like you were saying something different earlier.
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I appreciate the push back from you, I’m saying both really. The exact location of where they appear doesn’t matter that much, and they’ve been documented in some instances to be closer to that of the shroud. It’s also hard to say when only four saints in modern times had them.
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Thanks for posting some bangers Kramer, I can always count on you! Those are depicting St Francis of Assisi, who was documented as having them at the base of the hand/wrist like that shown in the shroud. Here’s another artwork of him.
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Again, I don’t really see the location of stigmata’s as important. They’re a mystical experience and the location is likely based on where the individual believes the wounds to be located on Jesus.