They are aware of it, they just insist publicly that it's all a conspiracy theory

Except they didn't, and here we all are. It was all v predictable

I don't think you have any idea what we are talking about. The subject we are discussing was somebody's suggestion that the Green Party should use its funds to set up healthcare clinics. I am arguing that this is idiotic

Again, Britain has a particular legal framework, you cannot just transplant the way things are done elsewhere. There are actual practical obstacles and they cannot be shouted down or wished out of existence.

I left Labour in 2022 but I only joined the Greens in 2023, because I wanted to give the post-Corbyn Left (and the man himself) a chance. They decided to stare at the floor, mumbling, and do nothing whatsoever. So I joined the only people who were actually doing anything.

We knew this would happen because the same thing happened with the Breakthrough Party, Northern Ind Party, Harmony, Transform and the other post-Corbyn microparties. Same mindset, just more people. An overabundance of dreamers and idealists, and zero organisers

"The membership" was held up as a divine all-powerful unified force which would sweep aside any barrier, big or small. Basic organisational logistics were ignored because people believed that "the membership" and "hope" alone would carry them to victory. Sound familiar?

Except it didn't, and it isn't. This is what I'm saying. You need to look at the reality of how things actually happened. YP had the most generous circumstances for a left party in 100 years and they fucked it because everyone involved thought basic logistics was beneath them

I forgot to say initially, thank you for saying this. When you go through something and every adult minimises it your entire life, it's very affirming to have an educator confirm that no, actually what happened to you was wrong

It is simply not possible or desirable for a radical-left formation to win 50% in a society that is fundamentally built on private property, and any attempt to do so would result in a total dilution of our program to the point where we would simply become the Labour Party.

Yes, as someone who has been involved with left-wing activism for 16 years and has learned a lot of lessons the hard way, I do feel like a grandma desperately trying to teach excitable newbies that they can't just overthrow the government in one afternoon

I am a much more practical person when it comes to logistics and organisations than one would expect, I just refute the idea that the all-powerful *central government* of a sovereign state actually faces any such logistical restrictions.

Yes, Jimmy has now expanded and said he wants the Green Party to hire professional mental health nurses, which would completely bankrupt the party and would be illegal under electoral law anyway. Proper mental health clinic staffed by professionals would cost *millions* to run

If you seek to engage in electoral politics (and win power) then there are basic logistical problems to consider, from GDPR to hiring practices to basic electoral law. YP saw all of these problems as irrelevant distractions. The Greens did not. Hence their relative status.

Your Party = perfect microcosm of this. Every obvious barrier and challenge was immediately dismissed, on the basis that "the membership" would solve it. Anyone who asked practical questions, shouted down on the basis that "hope" and "the membership" would fix it. Now it's dead.

Some said I'm "overthinking" this or picking holes in a "general" point, but it's emblematic of a persistent belief on the ex-Corbyn left - namely, that practical reality is irrelevant, and "the membership(TM)" can smash through all obstacles by sheer unified willpower. It can't.

Some said I'm "overthinking" this or picking holes in a "general" point, but it's emblematic of a persistent belief on the ex-Corby left - namely, that practical reality is irrelevant, and that "the membership" can smash through all obstacles by sheer unified willpower. It can't.

I honestly assumed he meant run by volunteers, because hiring actual salaried and qualified staff for these places would obviously be prohibitively expensive. But no, he confirmed he wants paid staff, which means pouring tens of millions of pounds into these projects. Baffling.

Yes he seems to believe that running homeless shelters and mental health clinics only costs a few thousand pounds per year, when in reality it costs millions. And he made clear he wants PAID staff, which means pension, National Insurance and other personell costs!

We saw with Your Party what happens when people opt to ignore practical reality and start roaring that pure optimism and hope alone can smash through all barriers, overcome all obstacles, and fix everything. There were people who sincerely believed that Jeremy was going to be PM.