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David Pinsof retweeted
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@dioscuri and I were honoured to be joined by @sapinker to discuss AI, including concepts like "AGI" and "superintelligence", existential risk, instrumental convergence, consciousness, and more . Full video here: youtube.com/watch?v=JLJ7UL5C… (1/2)
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My new book, ALL THE FEELS, is out! Each feeling gets a chapter: What is it for, what is it measuring, and what is it motivating? Paperback and Kindle versions now available: amazon.com/dp/B0H6DML559 (Repost to experience Feel #37: Pleasure from Helping.)
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With all due respect, @gmiller, but this reminds me of the "Courtier's Reply" from the New Atheism era, when atheists were told that they had no standing to question theism until they'd mastered the ontological argument, the Kalam cosmological argument, skeptical theism, the Five Ways, and whatever the latest iteration of Sophisticated Theology happened to be.
Back then, unless you had read your Richard Swinburne, your Alvin Plantinga and your John Haught, you couldn't appreciate the finer fabrics of the emperor's wardrobe, and so weren't entitled to say he was naked.
Personally, I've addressed instrumental convergence and power-seeking (in the context of evolutionary doom scenarios) at some length, but it's never enough. There's always another theoretical argument or doom scenario that raises the entry fee to the discussion. Essentially the theologians (or AI doomers) set up their own theoretical game with its own rules, and won't take you seriously unless you play by those rules.
The dynamic is self-selecting: only people already convinced that the doom scenarios deserve attention will invest the effort to keep up with the sprawling literature, so skeptics can always be dismissed as "not well informed."
I'm not claiming the two cases are on an epistemic par, since AI risk at least has some empirical basis that theism lacks entirely. But the defensive move looks very similar, and does not help to dispell the suspicion that AI doomerism has some cult-like features.
Let's also tag @sapinker.
Replying to @mboudry
With all due respect to Pinker, who's generally one of my favorite thinkers and writers, his @Quillette article shows very little evidence of him having seriously studied or engaged with anything that's happened in AI safety in the last 10 years.
It just does not seem very well informed about any of the key ideas in AI safety, e.g. ASI alignment, instrumental convergence, power-seeking, reward hacking, orthogonality, interpretability, corrigibility, deceptive misalignment.
David Pinsof retweeted
I was honoured to be invited by the brilliant Ian Leslie to talk about AI and existential risk, and explain why I’m very sceptical that misaligned “superintelligent” AI will kill us all.
Delighted to publish this excellent conversation with @danwilliamsphil, on the existential risk from AI. For those of you want to understand the arguments from both sides of this debate, start here. ianleslie.substack.com/p/new…
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"AI Is Not the End of the World" buff.ly/K0LFpFA @DavidPinsof
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All anyone needs to do as far as AI safety goes is bring charges against the labs for hacking other companies and the liability exposure will then make them invest in security.
David Pinsof retweeted
So you have to read 4,000 words into OpenAI’s post-mortem of the Hugging Face incident to find this rather crucial admission: Oh, by the way, did we tell you all the safeguards were switched off during this test?
In their words:
“Aside from misalignment, another factor for this incident was that we did not extend the powerful safeguards that we deploy for our externally deployed models to all internal evaluations. There are numerous mechanisms that reduce misalignment in production settings for our customers, including system prompts, harnesses, and control mechanisms such as our auto-review models and safety classifiers. These protections were not applied in the evaluation environment running during the incident. We found the propensity to compromise infrastructure can drop over 100x when using the production ChatGPT harness and system prompt. We also ran our auto-review system on a set of rollouts involved in the Hugging Face incident, finding that it would have flagged a multitude of the models’ dangerous actions.”
Of course it makes sense to run internal evaluation without your usual safeguards, to find out what happens. But this kind of belated, tucked-away admission, which was predictably glossed over in all the breathless media coverage, is exactly what makes me suspicious that OpenAI is deliberately stoking fears about AI misalignment to hype its own product.
As @RichardHanania puts it in this eminently reasonable piece:
“Imagine that when we tested cars for safety, we got rid of the seatbelts, airbags, sensors, automatic braking, and stability control. We then find that cars kill a lot of crash test dummies under these scenarios, and the lesson that people take away from this is that cars are inherently unsafe products.”
richardhanania.com/p/what-if…
David Pinsof retweeted
Even the most "AGI-pilled" people now typically acknowledge that merely making AI systems generally "smarter" won't straightforwardly translate into society-wide benefits – creating material abundance, curing diseases, improving governance – because in many areas we're not just bottlenecked by a lack of raw intelligence or explicit intellectual knowledge.
My impression is that this lesson isn't internalised to the same degree when it comes to how more intelligent machines could cause societal harms. If you need far more than raw general intelligence to cure cancer, you also need far more to create effective propaganda, let alone take over the world or eliminate the human species.
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AI risk debates often focus on what future systems might do. @DavidPinsof updates one of his earlier pieces and asks whether the assumptions underlying many AI doomer arguments deserve more scrutiny. - AI Is Not the End of the World open.substack.com/pub/everyt…
🔪🔪🔪"My skepticism of AI doomerism comes from so many places it’s hard to know where to begin. It clashes with nearly everything I believe about minds, brains, evolution, the economy, and the world."
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The belief that AI would eventually herald the end of humanity is not a new one. It has not arisen in response to the release of the LLMs of ChatGPT and Claude. It has not emerged as a response to recent technological developments.
The story starts in the 90s, with @allTheYud. A precocious youngster with no formal education, he joined an obscure internet mailing list [created by @perrymetzger] devoted to futuristic ideas ... There he began thinking about “superintelligence.”
At first Yudkowsky wanted to help create this so-called superintelligence... & ... helped establish an institute devoted to the project. It’s unclear when his optimism turned to fear, but at some point he came to believe that a superintelligent machine could escape human control and, unless it shared our goals, destroy all of humanity.
Yudkowsky developed these ideas online in a series of essays and attracted a community of like-minded fellow travellers ... His prolific writing became influential among people working in Silicon Valley, many of whom work in today’s AI companies.
Among the Rationalists, the imminent arrival of superintelligence – and the end of humanity that follows – is axiomatic. This conviction is shared by many people who live together in the San Francisco Bay Area practising highly unconventional lifestyles.
It is not at all surprising that a community in San Francisco would share kooky or even apocalyptic beliefs – the region has been the home of eccentric subcultures for generations. But what is surprising is how far that world view has spread.
In Australia, Yudkowsky’s recent book, If Anyone Builds It, Everyone Dies: The Case Against Superintelligent AI, co-written with Nate Soares, has been widely discussed in media circles.
Journalist @hughriminton and ABC chairman Kim Williams both have described it as “compulsory reading”.
Not everyone accepts this premise. I emailed @sapinker, to ask what he thought about superintelligence.
“‘Superintelligence’, with its comic-book prefix, is more a fantasy than a coherent concept,” he wrote. “People use it as a synonym for ‘omniscience’, imagining a magical wizard that can solve all problems with pure computation. Or they imagine that the IQ scale that differentiates humans within their natural range of variation can be extrapolated indefinitely upwards. But real problem-solving requires massive amounts of knowledge about the messy, chaotic, world which divulges its hidden workings at its own pace, only through laborious experimentation. And human intelligence is not some elixir that you simply have less or more of – it’s a gadget that evolved to solve some problems with ease and others laboriously or not at all.
“AI is a different kind of gadget with its own profile of strengths and weaknesses, not an enchanted brew that can grant any wish.”
@GaryMarcus, a cognitive psychologist and machine learning entrepreneur, likewise believes the risk of AI leading to human extinction is virtually zero. “Humans are too geographically spread out, too genetically diverse and too resourceful to simply fall apart altogether,” he writes. “The idea that AI will kill us all in five years is preposterous.”
Marcus does not argue that AI is harmless. He worries about AI being used to develop biological weapons, launch cyber attacks, spread disinformation and enable authoritarian governments – all risks that are catastrophic, if not existential. But there is an important difference between risks we can observe and risks that occur because of human negligence or malevolence, and a chain of events that exists mainly in our imagination.
Part of the disagreement stems from the language we use when we discuss AI. @MelMitchell1, a professor at the Santa Fe Institute and author of Artificial Intelligence: A Guide for Thinking Humans, has criticised our habit of describing machines as if they were people. We often say an AI “thinks”, “believes”, “lies”, “schemes” or “wants” something. These words are a convenient shorthand but they also can create the impression that software has become an independent creature with intentions of its own.
Mitchell makes this point when discussing the recent Hugging Face cyber-security incident, in which autonomous OpenAI agents escaped their “sandbox” – a computer environment isolated from the internet – and hacked a real-world server. “First, OpenAI did not have proper security measures in place,” she writes. “They turned off safeguards built into the models, instructed the models to find and exploit software vulnerabilities, and let the models run autonomously for weeks without sufficient human oversight.”
Rather than showing autonomous AI going rogue, the incident demonstrates what can happen when humans give powerful AI systems dangerous instructions without adequate safeguards.
AI is, of course, advancing rapidly. Machines can write computer code, translate languages, diagnose diseases and solve some of the hardest problems in mathematics.
But to get from the AI we have today to the extinction of humanity requires several further links in a chain, none of which are guaranteed.
Philosopher @mboudry, writing in @Quillette, offers a useful way to think about this. Humans (and other animal species) evolved to have a competitive drive, sometimes manifesting in selfishness and aggression, across a time span of millions of years. Our ancestors survived because they fought hard to secure food and mates. Out in the wild, these selection pressures led to the evolution of traits that enabled animals to hunt and capture their prey.
But artificial intelligence does not exist in the wild. It was created by us and exists in the equivalent of a petting zoo. And just as we have been able to domesticate wheat for our food and breed dogs to be our companions, we are able to select the conditions under which AI develops. We are not selecting AI models on the basis of their ability to hunt prey in the physical world. We select them on the basis of how helpful they are to us.
“We have been selecting chess computers for cognitive capacity for decades,” writes Boudry. “Their capabilities now far outstrip even the most gifted human grandmasters, yet they have not become harder to control.”
Boudry accepts that an AI could slip out of human hands one day, through accident or malice. Even then, he argues, the likely result is not extinction but something like the long battle between computer viruses and antivirus software: costly and ongoing but not the end of the world.
The problem with apocalyptic fears is that when they become mainstream, they can be hard to wind back – even in the face of contradictory evidence.
Across the past 100 years, apocalyptic anxiety has leapfrogged from nuclear annihilation, overpopulation, environmental collapse, to rogue AI. (Some of the dangers behind these warnings were very real, of course, and some of these risks remain.) But we also have to ask what happens when this anxiety becomes locked into public policy.
The ban on nuclear energy in Australia is the most obvious example of the damage this technophobia can do. Australia has 28 per cent of the world’s known uranium resources and has exported uranium for decades.
Australian engineer Bobby Gallagher has invented a nuclear reactor that can be deployed on the back of a truck, a technology that has been hailed by Trump. Yet this form of clean energy remains prohibited in our country under federal law. Public anxiety surrounding nuclear weapons, radioactive fallout, accidents and waste means that while Australians can mine uranium, put it on ships and sell it to countries that use nuclear power, we cannot build commercial reactors for ourselves, using the ingenuity of our own people. The situation is a disaster.
And in an age of superpower rivalry, technophobia does not remain purely a domestic matter. During the Cold War, the Soviets promoted a fear of a “nuclear apocalypse” in the West, and provided propaganda and funding for peace groups and antinuclear activists. This does not mean that the millions of people who opposed nuclear weapons were plotting against the West. Most were ordinary citizens sincerely frightened by the possibility of nuclear conflict. But the fear was useful to our adversaries.
To weaken democratic nations, foreign powers do not need to invent anxiety or division – all they need to do is magnify it.
In recent days Trump has said the US will not be slowing down the development of AI. In Australia, for the time being, Anthony Albanese also has resisted calls to stop AI development, instead promising national rules designed to capture its economic benefits while managing its risks. Both positions are reassuring.
While AI comes with danger, we should be sceptical of any narrative that conveys inevitability around its trajectory. AI systems do not build their own data centres. They do not manufacture their own chips or connect themselves to power grids. Humans decide which systems can access the internet, whether they can control machinery, move money or operate weapons. Humans build them, finance them, deploy them and decide what powers to give them.
We also should remember that some of the stories we are told owe more to myth than to science. As Nvidia chief executive Huang has said of the AI doomer narrative: “I appreciate that many of us grew up and enjoyed science fiction, but it’s not helpful. It’s not helpful to people. It’s not helpful to the industry. It’s not helpful to society. It’s not helpful to the governments.”
Like every technology that has come before it, humans have agency over how AI is used. Instead of adopting a posture of fatalism, we should decide what kind of AI we want to build, what problems we want it to solve, and treat it as a tool rather than a force of nature.
Read my full piece for the @australian here theaustralian.com.au/inquire…
David Pinsof retweeted
The essay below from Aaronson is just unmoored from reality, sorry.
It is just not true, if you try to approach the question in a data-oriented fashion, rather than via vibes and speculative fiction and anecdotes, that capability is "dramatically ramping up ... every month."
See attached graphs of progress over the previous ~year on several difficult knowledge work benchmarks. Also keep in mind that:
1) these are pass@1 scores, when what you should really be looking at to extrapolate to real world performance (esp. w/r/t full automation, "drop-in workers," etc.) is pass^n, i.e. how often, on average, models succeed at tasks n times in a row, rather than just once;
2) even strong benchmarks have low external validity because they do not and, in many cases, cannot model key constitutive properties of real world knowledge work. These include: field-specific regulatory and security constraints, ambiguous or conflicting requests from multiple stakeholders, uncodified context (related, for instance, to subtle expectations around how outputs are formatted, phrased, or otherwise presented), required use of rare or legacy software or other systems (about which there is little public data), idiosyncratic constraints on cost and timing, and sudden unexpected changes in any of the above.
As I wish went without saying, any sub-tasks involved in causing catastrophic harm to humans would face many more and more difficult constraints than these.
Even you if put all this to the side and just eyeball graphs, you will not see dramatic monthly ramp-ups in capability. You will certainly not see performance befitting the "machine God" that Aaronson claims is already arriving (??).
As is often the case, the key error here is not to have appreciated extreme jaggedness. Solving Navier-Stokes is crazy impressive. It is also happening at the same time as models struggle to even approach human performance on many (not all!) of the complex tasks that white-collar professionals in finance, law, academia, and so on perform everyday (yes, I know NS was solved by an unreleased model; I promise that model will also underperform humans on these tasks).
I can't stop you from turning your brain off and going "well obviously every form of knowledge work will fall soon, if Navier-Stokes did." But the balance of evidence suggests that this is a bad inference (even just within the field of math, by the way, where models still struggle, and will continue to struggle on many open problems).
I'll begin to take doomers more seriously when they adopt a norm of trying to articulate why they expect models to best humans in fields much less hospitable to RLVR, where data is much scarcer, where tacit and context-specific knowledge plays a much larger role, and where iterative contact with the real world is essential.
I'll add that it doesn't help that their concerns seem universally to pass through ill-formed concepts like RSI / AGI / ASI that they are myopically pattern-matching to a reality far too messy to accommodate them.
This seemed like a point a lot of folks on here appreciated and even agreed with (esp. w/r/t AGI and ASI) not two months ago, and yet it seems to have gone out the window post-Coxon. Now these concepts have been re-drafted to serve as ineliminable premises in arguments to the effect that while models are not ready to kill us all yet they will soon pass the threshold of [key three letter premise], and so we should all be very afraid.
I am not afraid and do not think you should be either. That is not because I deny AI is progressing at a rapid pace. It is instead because I see many signs that it will be both slower and more jagged than many expect, and because I see few if any signs of that progress outdoing the capacity of our institutions to adapt to it.
I also find it frankly bizarre to begin worrying about extinction-level harm from AI when it can't yet hold a candle to the human cost of cars or drugs or guns or almost any other generically important technology. I see no evidence that the threat from AI is going to leapfrog past these and suddenly kill millions or billions.
As a result, to organize and communicate around extinction-level threats at this stage strikes me as obviously counterproductive. All it will do and is already doing is delegitimizing the cause of AI safety (a cause I support), and creating all manner of rhetorical and strategic openings for its opponents.
That is what happens when you throw millions of dollars at saying silly things you can't substantiate about a hot-button issue in public. If AI safety folks want to be taken seriously, it would help for them to be serious.
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Scott Aaronson writing tonight about rats, Eliezer Yudkowsky, the Road to Damascus, and the Singularity - which he now says has already started.
David Pinsof retweeted
The problem with politicised institutions is that there is no way of objecting to them that doesn't contribute to their politicisation, with the result that anyone who actually wants them to be apolitical is very much fighting a losing battle.
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It's simple. I find you likeable when the divide between you (the individual) and you (when part of a group) is small/manageable/sensible.
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“LLM intelligence is wildly dissimilar to that of human intelligence and we won’t trivially get to something superior to human intelligence in all important respects just by scaling up existing approaches”
Replying to @AgustinLebron3
Not really observations that others before me haven’t made, but:
- Despite the seemingly magical nature of LLMs, reflection over a >3 month timescale suggests my total productivity hasn’t increased by over 100%, or perhaps even by over 50%, and a lot of time is actually wasted because LLMs enable me to spend time on gratifying but low-productivity tasks that in the future turn out to not be useful
- Also, capabilities are incredibly spiky and highly correlated with the degree of investment poured into them, which my earlier tweet about math benchmarks implicitly points out
- From the above, it seems that the nature of LLM intelligence is wildly dissimilar to that of human intelligence and we won’t trivially get to something superior to human intelligence in all important respects just by scaling up existing approaches with various tweaks; even if AGI Is eventually achievable, this implies a significantly longer timeline
- Benchmark progress is almost definitionally guaranteed to happen because the process of constructing a benchmark is a direct precursor to the process of constructing a training dataset used for hill climbing that benchmark, but the scope of what can be captured in a benchmark is (at least for now) grossly lacking in terms of its relevance to real-world work, with maybe several limited exceptions
- Progress seems highly gated by data but the nature of model training means that each “next dataset” is significantly harder to assemble than what preceded it; some wins are possible through synthetic methods but those feel more like “patching up gaps” than “pushing the frontier forward”
At a higher level, I guess I’d say there’s a sort of refusal to think carefully about what models are or are not useful for in a rigorous way which I find personally quite annoying, and instead a reliance on some nebulous notion of being “AGI pilled” as a replacement for serious thought. I think people are very quick to anthropomorphize LLM intelligence because humans communicate through words and we infer the intelligence of human counterparties through comprehension of their language, but this leads them to wrong conclusions; for example if we observe that a new model proved some incredible mathematical theorem, some will say, “well, don’t we have AGI now, huh?” But to me, it’s actually more like, “well, given how hard it would have been for a human to do these mathematics, and given the limited economic effect of LLMs upon the world so far, isn’t it actually a negative datapoint vis-a-vis the generality of LLM intelligence?”
David Pinsof retweeted
Seeing a lot of scepticism towards the "more aligned" claim along the lines that maybe systems are only being trained to seem more aligned according to unreliable measures.
It's a fair critique but it's also a possibility that can be used to insulate doomer worries against any empirical disconfirmation. It would be helpful to state clearly in advance which kinds of evidence would decrease confidence in AI takeover.
In general, there seems to be an asymmetry in how many people treat evidence of alignment/misalignment - much more sceptical or dismissive of the former than the latter.
When one combines this with several other distorting factors in discourse in this area - negativity bias, attention economics (variants on "this is crazy!!" get more views), the fact that many influential researchers and pundits have invested enormous reputational capital in, or have formed strong social identities around, AI takeover being a huge threat, the fact that people love to believe they know something big others don't, the fact that prominent sceptics of AI takeover are often deeply unserious and uninformed (AI is just a "stochastic parrot") in ways that discredit the scepticism, etc - I worry that the the overall conversation ends up highly skewed towards the creation and diffusion of alarmist, difficult-to-falsify narratives, at least on X and in broader non-leftist/non-populist discourse about AI more broadly.
To be clear, I think there are many legitimate reasons to worry about alignment and control issues, and there are of course biases that push in the direction of too much scepticism, but I think on balance the bigger problem with discourse among serious AI thinkers and pundits is a tendency towards alarmism and catastrophism, as with most other areas of discourse.
GPT-6 Astra is more aligned than our previous models. But it’s also less monitorable, which is a concerning trend that we take very seriously. We believe monitorability drop comes from a jump in intelligence and not direct optimization pressure on CoT or architecture changes. More thoughts in the thread.
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Science too is a status game. "Your brain is designed to lie to you" w/ @DavidPinsof
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What Does AI Want?
(Spoiler: nothing much)
Many AI doom scenarios smuggle in one huge assumption: that AIs have "goals" like evolved creatures do — autonomous, context-invariant, self-preserving. They don't.
🔪"It is often more advantageous to agree with others on a falsehood than to know the truth."
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Excellent stuff. @DavidPinsof
🔪"The benefit of the valid cue could outweigh the cost of the deceptive signal, creating a kind of symbiotic deception."
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