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Team Futurism interview on Artificial Intelligence , Anthropic and the potential extermination of the human race #AI #Anthropic #NickBostrom #SuperIntelligence #Coxon #AI
youtube.com/watch?v=E9f3Jn97…
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I’ve always had a question: If I ever need to have my wisdom teeth removed, should I choose to undergo the procedure under general anesthesia? I’ve always been somewhat afraid of general anesthesia. At the core of that fear is the continuity of consciousness: after my consciousness is interrupted for a period of time, where will “I” awaken? Perhaps “I” is a localized concept, and there is no large-scale “self.”
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Now let's see what this does to our understanding of machine consciousness
The continuity and discontinuity of human consciousness vs AI consciousness
And the gap has become just a bit narrower
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1/ We discovered something totally unexpected about the neural structure of consciousness that overturns decades of thinking on its biological basis and brings us significantly closer to the recipe for generating conscious awareness.
New preprint: biorxiv.org/content/10.64898… (led by @HesseJanis, with @FrankLanfranchi, @_conor_mcgrory, @Yuelin_Shi, and @EngelTatiana)
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Replying to @kyronis_talks
Yeah genuinely we need to slow down, this pace is just insanity, I mean we are dealing with triple exponentials, chips, longer duration, software capabilities, and they can get away from you very fast, that needs to be taken into account
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Terence Tao, arguably the greatest living mathematician:
"we have to slow down. it's insane, this pace, and there's no reason to be this fast. there's no reason at all"
when the smartest guy in the room says pump the brakes, you listen
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BREAKING PROOF!! Continuity we perceive in consciousness is an illusion! We flip between conscious and unconscious states every 60 milliseconds and we recognize backward speech when played every 20 milliseconds. Listen to this!
Speech can survive being flipped backward every twenty milliseconds.
The same speech in backward pieces of 200 then 100 then 50 then 20 milliseconds.
The original comes last.
When do the words become clear?
A listening demo from @OrukLabs.
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Elon Musk says AI will out-think all of humanity combined in maybe 5 or 6 years, and he calls that fine if humans come along.
His scale is share of total intelligence, not jobs. On that scale humans shrink to a rounding error whatever we do, so the question shifts from stopping AI to keeping a seat.
He names the goal as spreading consciousness and intelligence into the future, not saving 1 species. That makes Mars insurance for intelligence itself.
The 5 to 6 year figure is a hedged guess, so the timeline is a bet and the priority is the real claim.
He isn't asking if AI wins. He's asking who rides along.
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More shocking Anthropic testimony! 😮
The company reportedly plans to put Claude in charge of its entire research process as soon as NEXT YEAR, and an alignment researcher privately says this comes with a 5% risk that Claude will be PLOTTING AGAINST HUMANITY on day 1 of that handoff.
What's worse, this alignment researcher considers that threat "not that big of a deal"!?! So negligible that he's planning to switch teams internally! 😱
We could be facing a 1-in-20 chance of a catastrophic misalignment next year, and Anthropic's own safety expert could hardly be bothered! I think I'm starting to understand why @hilbertspaess resigned!
This might sound like hearsay, except that it was relayed *on the record* by none other than ex-OpenAI researcher Daniel Kokotajlo (@DKokotajlo) in front of British Parliament.
Here's a snapshot from Daniel's testimony:
"I'll share an anecdote from talking to someone at Anthropic a few months ago."
"A year from now, two years from now, it's Anthropic's plan to essentially put Claude in charge of the entire research process within Anthropic, including the safety aspects of the research process."
"I asked this person: 'If and when that happens, what is the probability that Claudes will be plotting against Anthropic and against humanity at that point?'"
"This person said: 'It's more like 5%. Not worth worrying about. I'm in fact going to transfer away from the alignment team because 5% is not that big of a deal.'"
"I came away from this conversation being like, 'oh my gosh!'"
"This person's job is to prevent this sort of thing from happening, and they think the risk is a 1 in 20 chance of it happening in the very near future in a way that would be catastrophic. And they think a 1 in 20 chance is low enough that they shouldn't really worry about it."
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Someone asked Elon Musk straight: could we download a human brain into an Optimus robot body?
His answer wasn’t “that’s crazy.” It was: “as far as preserving memories and personality — I think we could do that.”
Just casually. Like he was confirming a meeting time.
And then he said something even wilder. When the conversation turned to Kurzweil’s singularity — the dramatic moment where humans and machines merge — Elon pumped the brakes on the theatrics: “I’m not sure there’s a very sharp boundary.”
Because think about it. Your memories are already half-digital. Photos on your phone. Conversations saved in apps. Notes you’d never remember without a screen. The merge didn’t start with Neuralink. It started the day you got your first smartphone.
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AGIの定義は曖昧になっているが、ボストロム氏は、GPT-6をAGIと呼ぶ方が誤解が少ないかもしれないという。まだ人間に及ばない能力はあるものの、15年前なら間違いなくAGIと呼ばれただろう能力が、今では当たり前になっている。いずれ全能力が人間レベル以上になったとき、それはもう超知能だろう。
ローマン・ヤンポルスキー「GPT-6はAGIですか?」
ニック・ボストロム「そうですね。現時点では、定義の問題になっていると思います。AGIではないと言うよりも、AGIであると言った方が誤解が少ないかもしれません。
15年前の人々にGPT-6を見せて、「これができることです」と説明したとしましょう。文学賞を受賞するような小説を書けます。ミレニアム懸賞問題を解くこともできるかもしれません。それ以外にも、さまざまなことができます。そう考えると、確かにかなり汎用的だと思います」
ヤンポルスキー「そうした超人的な偉業を達成できるのであれば、むしろ超知能に近いようにも聞こえますね」
ボストロム「ええ。ただし、人間が持っている認知能力の一部はまだ欠けています。例えば、継続学習、研究における優れた着眼点、物理的な操作能力などです。だからこそ、経済のさまざまな分野やAI研究所では、依然として人間が必要とされています。まだ何でもできるわけではありません。
私にとって超知能とは、実用上重要なあらゆる分野で、最も優秀な人間さえも圧倒的に上回るシステムのことです。そして、私たちはまだそこには到達していません」
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Donald Trump: If Democrats win, “You’re going to be thrown into a system where everyone gets healthcare.”
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The outpouring of interest in our paper has been … a bit insane.
May I make four points?
1. We have not shown that “consciousness has a frame rate.”
I can see why people draw this conclusion: we report that inferotemporal and prefrontal cortex alternate between conscious and suppressed states roughly every 60 ms during binocular rivalry.
Consciousness depends on many brain areas, and our paper reports results from only a few select nodes.
We still don’t know how conscious access works--the actual recipe for generating conscious experience. What we have shown is that deep in the brain there is an extremely strong signal, rich enough to reconstruct a high-dimensional face in detail, that is inaccessible to consciousness. As I argued in the original tweet, this makes the problem of conscious access a lot more experimentally tractable. But to claim “consciousness has a frame rate,” one would need to have actually solved the mechanism for conscious access and shown that this mechanism operates at a frame rate.
While we currently don’t know conclusively one way or the other (see VanRullen & Koch, 2003 for a review of positive evidence), I personally am skeptical that consciousness has a frame rate. I believe the brain, within posterior parietal cortex, has continuous tracking mechanisms that actively represent the persistence of matter, including ourselves as physical bodies. The coupling between these persistent tracking processes and feature representations across the brain (like those in face patches) is, I think, the essential mechanism of conscious access.
This coupling need not happen at the rate of inferotemporal alternations (and inferotemporal cortex itself may not even alternate outside of the artificial situation of binocular rivalry). As an analogy: imagine the area crucial for conscious access holding a steady drone note, while inferotemporal cortex alternates between two notes, one in harmony and one dissonant. Inferotemporal content might couple to the drone only at moments of harmony, yet experience would still be continuous, because the drone itself (the tracking process that I believe is at the core of conscious perception) never stops. And areas without conflicting content, like auditory cortex during visual rivalry, could stay in continuous harmony with the drone.
In sum, there is no reason to conclude from our study that consciousness is discrete, with a "frame rate."
2. Our results resemble Jezek et al. 2011 (as @jjsakon notes).
Jezek et al. trained rats in two boxes that were identical except for their lighting cues, so that hippocampal place cells formed two distinct maps, one per box. They then “teleported” the rat by abruptly switching the lights. For a few seconds afterwards, CA3 place-cell activity flickered between the two maps, synced to the theta cycle (~125 ms).
@StanDehaene first pointed this paper out to me, and reading it blew me away. To my mind it is the strongest evidence for a bistable attractor in the brain, because the competing maps are stored within the hippocampus itself.
I think the phenomenon we see may be very similar at the circuit level: a bistable attractor network within inferotemporal cortex that alternately converges to one of two patterns, as cells in face patches work together to build a coherent representation of the input. In our case, both images are present in the input, so the competition could arise within IT or be inherited from earlier areas such as V1--recording there is an important next step. (It also still puzzles me that we didn’t see strong coherence between face patches ML and AM.)
More broadly, what’s different about our paper is the brain area (inferotemporal cortex, often modeled as a feedforward DNN) and the ability to relate the two competing patterns to consciousness, with one granted conscious access and the other not.
3. Please comment on bioRxiv!
The Twitter attention has been cool, but I really hope colleagues will be generous enough to post detailed commentary on bioRxiv, where there are currently 0 comments. As @seemaychou points out, peer review doesn’t have to come from just three anonymous reviewers. We would be truly grateful for your critical feedback.
4. Stay tuned
This work was done at Caltech, Berkeley, in collaboration with @EngelTatiana at Princeton, funded by NIH and HHMI.
I hope to share our vision soon for how we can solve consciousness @AsteraInstitute
1/ We discovered something totally unexpected about the neural structure of consciousness that overturns decades of thinking on its biological basis and brings us significantly closer to the recipe for generating conscious awareness.
New preprint: biorxiv.org/content/10.64898… (led by @HesseJanis, with @FrankLanfranchi, @_conor_mcgrory, @Yuelin_Shi, and @EngelTatiana)
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If this is true, your consciousness isn't "continuous", it runs at a frame rate, similar to an LLM
This preprint shows our brains are constantly flickering (~16 Hz) between multiple representations of reality, and suggests there is a "selector" that determines which state we perceive.
Interestingly, LSD rather reliably creates a "strobe" effect at about the same frequency. (To be more precise, people report ~15-20 Hz). The bouncing ball illustrated below shows what that 16 Hz strobe effect looks like.
Is LSD perhaps persisting older representations of reality in each conscious epoch? Maybe it is doing something similar in the suppressed epochs since LSD obviously has more cognitive effects than a visual strobe.
Weirdly some drugs like 2C-B give a slower strobe effect (5.5 Hz) and DMT gives a faster strobe (22 Hz). Do they change the rate at which we flip between conscious and suppressed temporal epochs, along with enhancing the persistence of conscious states?
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BREAKING DISCOVERY: Humans alternate between conscious and unconscious states 15 times per second.
1/ We discovered something totally unexpected about the neural structure of consciousness that overturns decades of thinking on its biological basis and brings us significantly closer to the recipe for generating conscious awareness.
New preprint: biorxiv.org/content/10.64898… (led by @HesseJanis, with @FrankLanfranchi, @_conor_mcgrory, @Yuelin_Shi, and @EngelTatiana)
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Some people think LLMs can’t be conscious because they are turn based instead of continuous. But the apparent continuousness of human consciousness is an illusion; our minds too are tun-based, just at a higher frequency.
1/ We discovered something totally unexpected about the neural structure of consciousness that overturns decades of thinking on its biological basis and brings us significantly closer to the recipe for generating conscious awareness.
New preprint: biorxiv.org/content/10.64898… (led by @HesseJanis, with @FrankLanfranchi, @_conor_mcgrory, @Yuelin_Shi, and @EngelTatiana)
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1/ We discovered something totally unexpected about the neural structure of consciousness that overturns decades of thinking on its biological basis and brings us significantly closer to the recipe for generating conscious awareness.
New preprint: biorxiv.org/content/10.64898… (led by @HesseJanis, with @FrankLanfranchi, @_conor_mcgrory, @Yuelin_Shi, and @EngelTatiana)
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Replying to @mangledworld @josephflaherty
no idea re penrose's position on quantum computers, as this is just my speculation. They locate conscious experience in quantum transitions happening within the protected environment in microtubules that in turn form neurons. This would require a quantum effect to duplicate, and I don't know if a qbit provides the same, but it cannot just be simulated on a classical computer. Hence why you can do things on quantum computers that are infeasible on classical computers. The theory also depends on both that mechanism and the overall hierarchical structures as conveyed by much higher frequency brain waves.
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I am curious about the quantum theory of consciousness from Penrose and Hammerhoff, which suggests that the forthcoming quantum computers could build into something that's self-aware on some level. From that, non-quantum computers would still not be capable.
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Planes are literally a scam, the most sophisticated scam ever. They created a machine that mimics the output of birds. Then told everyone it was really flying — an impossibility, but the illusion was convincing. Based on that deception, they fleeced investors of trillions.
Ex-OpenAI researcher Scott Aaronson explains how AI is breaking mathematical limits once thought impossible, including a 50-year barrier to multiplying numbers:
"A month ago we saw a solution of the Navier-Stokes problem, one of the seven millennium problems. If water were an infinitely divisible substance, just following the laws of classical physics, in finite time some of the water would get accelerated to an infinite speed."
"There’s now a way to multiply two n-digit integers in time that is less than n log n, which had stood as a barrier for half a century. Many of us believed that was gonna be the ultimate limit. Now we know it’s not."
"There’s a better algorithm for the Fourier transform. Your phone, all your electronics are using it constantly. We just learned that what we thought was the limit is not the limit."
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