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We need OSHA but for enshittification. Things that aren’t worth entire laws individually but that collectively make the world substantially worse to live in.
Think I’m shadowbanned, can’t see my replies when I refresh a tweet. Which makes sense tbh, this account is literally all politics on purpose so I don’t bother friends from other spaces, still annoying tho
Are the following morally acceptable?
🟩 Abortion
🟨 Physician-assisted suicide
🟩 Homosexuality
🟩 Changing one’s gender
🟩 Pornography
🟩 Divorce
🟩 Birth control
🟩 Pre-marital sex
🟩 Polygamy
🟨 Gambling
🟥 Death penalty
🟨 Medical testing on animals
🟩 Cloning
My main issue with the anti-AI crowd (to be clear, I mean opposition on principle- I share concern for effects on people in practice) is that
“Human effort has value”
and
“All worthwhile creative endeavors can be achieved through only human effort”
are different statements.
Underneath every “taxation is theft” there’s “preventable death isn’t a bad thing”
Replying to @elementgermani3 @demons_under
Its neither good nor bad.
But your acting like its coercion by people for not giving others something which it isnt. Coercion needs a coercer so yes in that sense for coercion to happen you need someone to blame, that being the coercer.
hi530 retweeted
okay so it turns out the main thing i find myself wanting to repeat is "this is a test of theory of mind"
lemme tell a story. at science camp in high school we played a game called "guess 2/3rds of the average." it's exactly what it sounds like: everyone picks a real number between 0 and 100 and the winner is the person who gets closest to 2/3rds of the average. take as much time as you want right now to think about how you, personally, would play this game before reading on
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here's how you analyze this game """rationally.""" the highest the average can possibly be is 100, which would make 2/3rds of the average 66.6... this means there's no reason to play higher than this. but if everyone knows that, the real highest average becomes 66.6..., which would make 2/3rds of the average 44.4... but if everyone knows that...
every time you repeat this chain of reasoning the highest average decreases by a factor of 2/3, and eventually you conclude that the nash equilibrium of the game is that everyone plays 0. in any other outcome the person who played the highest number always regrets their choice and wishes they'd played lower afterwards because they always end up too far away from 2/3rds of the average
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now for the punchline: this is never what happens when people play this game in real life. as wikipedia says the winning guess is often ~30, iirc when i played it was ~20. i also personally played 100 to troll the other players b/c the prize wasn't big enough that i actually cared about winning
what actually happens in real life even when there are meaningful stakes is that a group of people never goes through the above argument infinitely many times (which is essentially what the nash equilibrium is doing) but, loosely speaking, a finite number k times, which roughly corresponds to the depth of theory of mind the group uses and anticipates other people using. the weak point in the above argument turns out to be "but if everyone knows that"; at some point this is no longer a safe assumption to make!
the game theory argument goes through, as wiki explains, if and only if every participant is perfectly rational and this fact is common knowledge. this is a technical concept meaning everyone knows it, and everyone knows everyone knows it, and so on. when you iterate the game theory argument k times this depends on k levels of common knowledge of the group's rationality (or at least their willingness to pursue this line of reasoning). in some groups it wouldn't even be safe to assume this once!
so the way you play this game is to roughly assess how willing you think other people in the group will be to run through the above argument, then guess 2/3rds of the corresponding average. or just guess something based on vibes. loosely speaking you want to guess a lower number the smarter, more technical, etc. the group is.
the point is that
1) the very strong common-knowledge-of-perfect-rationality assumption that powers the game theory argument never even comes close to holding in real life and
2) that means you have to think about what the other people in the game will actually do instead of what a """rational""" theory says they're supposed to do
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guess_…
i completely missed this discourse the first time so lemme try. i pressed blue without thinking about it, my gut reaction was "blue is prosocial and red is antisocial," on reflection this still seems right to me
galaxy-brain game theory arguments in favor of red are completely missing the point. as others have pointed out, empirically blue wins, and this is a test of theory of mind more than anything else. the actual outcome is determined by what everyone else who is not you actually does, not by what game theory says they should do
a certain kind of nerd thinks game theory is just the "correct" framework for reasoning about this type of situation and that is absolutely not true either and can be questioned on intellectual grounds and not just vibes. among other things game theory assumes every participant is perfectly selfish and perfectly """rational""" (and that this is common knowledge among the participants). this is just totally false as a description of the actual world! multiple parents pointed out that parents have to remember that this test includes their children. and obviously the vast majority of people have never even heard of game theory but they do know what selfishness and selflessness are
funnily enough there's LW stuff around exotic decision theories that's actually relevant here. one of them i would describe roughly as "when you make a decision you are choosing to live in a world where people like you make decisions like that" and i'd rather choose to live in a world where people like me are prosocial
"blue is prosocial and red is antisocial" is also a self-fulfilling prophecy, the more people who believe it the more true it becomes. so believing it is partly a bet on how much other people believe it, partly an act of hyperstition to make it true. few
hi530 retweeted
Why red teamers are losing:
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
42%Red
58%Blue
98,539 votes • Final results hi530 retweeted
Vice-signalling becoming a widespread phenomenon made these thought experiment discussions a lot less fun.
They don't even try to make a case anymore.
They just look at you like this and expect you to agree that they are super smart and deserve to think only of themselves.
Everyone in the world has to take a private vote by pressing a red or blue button. If more than 50% of people press the blue button, everyone survives. If less than 50% of people press the blue button, only people who pressed the red button survive. Which button would you press?
42%Red
58%Blue
98,539 votes • Final resultsReplying to @SCShipyards
It’s not. I made absolutely no claim that it was.
hi530 retweeted
My right to access a game supersedes your right to immersion. Accessibility options can be turned off, leaving your immersion intact. My disability cannot be switched off. Your desire to brag about beating a difficult game should not be fulfilled at the cost of people like me.
Way more people should be outraged by the fact that trans men are FORCIBLY detransitioned to “PRESERVE FERTILITY”
Bodily autonomy is being removed..
Human rights are stripped away..
TO “PRESERVE FERTILITY”????
This is what reducing human beings to reproductive roles leads to.


























