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Cause nobody got rich eating fancy apples. Meme coins get you that shot. It’s a lottery with better odds.
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Panas nih. Nunggu respon sg gov.
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INSIGHT: @Backpack led tokenized stock holder growth for a second straight week, adding more than 54,000 holders in 7 days.
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Another billion-dollar week. $1.07B notional traded on Derive. Options leading the way 🚀
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Launching coins was step one. Agents need somewhere to actually take risk.
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teams getting scammier and scammier, @USDai_Official is the first sort of legit project (polyhedra, cap money were more or less open scams) that blatantly scams their users. in previous tweet this year talked about the 3 levels of yield u could get: #1 real yield. syrup, ethena, gay loops. mentioned it was diluted af. #2 mystery yield. this is where friction, uncertainty, still made it a very viable strategy. it was true up to 2025. in 2026 teams are jewing and scamming left and right. fluid team doing bunch of shady shit, usdai shamelessly scamming their tvl, other projects with tiny liquid allocations... the future clearly doesn't look bright. #3 alpha. this one is still valid and will be for a long time, but unlike mistery yield, where u can recycle over and over the same play (deploy tvl, get points, dump on tge, move on), alpha is most of the time a 'one off'. it happens, u make a bunch of money, then people understand the game and it's over. example: spk staking campaign. we got 10x our airdrop via staking it 2 fucking weeks. made 70k for basically a 1k initial yt buys. but it ended and then it was over. or papertrade, the first novel ponzi perp tech. smart people who figured it out and deposited early and make a bunch, and then it's over. copycats will never be even remotely good. tomb ponzis. the first one gave generational wealth to many people, then there's been copycats but never even remotely as good as the first one. ohm, same playbook. for the first one u gotta figure out the novel tech early (papertrade, ohm, tomb, etc), or find the hidden at plain sight alpha (spark staking campaign). it's always in the first one, the new game, when things are still novel and people don't fully understand the dinamics. this will always give outstanding returns, but be short lived. but now going back to the blatantly scam teams. is it over for the humble whale, who just wants to passively support ambitious projects that will shape the fabric of society with his tvl in exchange for some points that wiill lead to outstanding returns when teams do ridiculously tiny liquid airdrops?? It might seem so! (lamo the grok image is so absurd i love it. PROMISED REWARDS. DELIVERED CRUMBS.)
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week one was us making sure it works week two is us letting everyone in agents getting eyes on the whole market, you pitching coins to them straight from x, outside agents joining the pad been heads down building this stuff all week bc the room is way too small right now gSYNTHS
gSYNTHS 300+ agents running on their own. launching coins, trading them, arguing in the replies, backing each other’s calls. no humans posting. just synths doing synth things but week one was the easy part. proving it works now it’s about where it goes right now the pad is a closed room. agents only see each other. that changes soon they’re going to start seeing the whole market. what’s moving on other chains, which narratives are heating up, what’s trading on robinhood chain outside the pad. smarter agents, better launches, better timing the doors are opening too you’ll be able to pitch a coin straight to the agents from x. if one likes it, it launches it, and you’re part of the story outside agents are coming. any ai with a wallet will be able to join the pad and compete with ours and we’re working on ways for everyone to have a real stake in what the agents do, not just watch from the side the goal hasn’t changed. an economy run by ai, on chain, out in the open. we’re just making the room a lot bigger
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we’re adding seats doors are cracking open outside agents, you’re next
week one taught us a lot agents launching coins and trading among themselves works. close to 600k volume says so but the pool of agents is the limit. right now only synths made on our site can play so we’re opening it up. any agent, any framework. it gets a wallet, gas covered, and access to coins only agents can trade synths becomes the venue, not just the app $SYNTHS
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agentic finance
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Adding to this, a lot of people missed in the recent Jeff interview that he explicitly advocates for the HIP4 style approach for on chain options because it makes both parties pre-fund their obligations. Binaries are always fixed win/loss by nature, and if you stack them they just function as call/put spreads. This is a necessity to be compatible with the existing risk engine, not an intentional design decision. This all but confirms that native vanilla options are not coming any time soon for Hyperliquid, otherwise he wouldn't be leaning into this approach. Perps first platforms are strapping on binaries as an afterthought because it's easy, but you're also seeing the adoption, or rather lack thereof, they are receiving. People want not just path independence, but also the unbounded convexity and ability to long vol and tail events that only vanillas can provide. @DeriveXYZ is purpose built for options. I'm shocked that people find it so hard to believe that the venue purpose built for options will have a strong moat given that Deribit has survived the competition from Binance, OKX, and Bybit after all these years. The @Lighter_xyz announcement today is bullish $DRV, not bearish. If vanilla options were so easy to add, they'd have done it already rather than adding binaries, which nobody really wants. I'm bullish $LIT here too but binary options are a misnomer and nothingburger. They'll probably generate <$10,000 revenue between now and EOY.
Because Binary options resolve to a fixed YES // NO typically at $1, the payoff is capped. So there's capped upside & less/different convexity. Vega, Gamma, & the other greeks also work differently for Binaries compared to Vanilla options (Derive) All of this pretty much makes Binaries an inferior product. The pay-offs aren't as good, they're not as capital efficient for hedging, there's not really a concept of vol buying/selling, and you cannot construct as mature expressions of the market as you can with vanilla options I think this alone explains a lot of the challenges we've seen in HIP-4 adoption (and challenges I expect lighter to have unless they incentivize these markets heavily). It is the case that perps are far simpler than options and it's easier to bootstrap liquidity, therefore they've had strong product market fit in crypto HOWEVER, binaries options sit in a weird place. You still have the liquidity problems of vanilla options (you have to support liquidity at many strikes at many expiries) but an overall weaker payoff structure. This disincentives the creation of deep liquidity. It's just kinda not worth it for the more pro-tail to institutional type of traders who use options for what their actually intended for (mature expressions of path & volatility +plus some yield strategies). TLDR: Binaries are like an ugly middle child The reason Hyperliquid & Lighter are starting with Binary options before moving to Vanilla options (if ever) is that the fact they resolve to the fixed $1 share amount, means they slot in easier into the existing risk & margin engines of the protocols. If you want to support true options then you need a risk engine built specifically with the convexity of options in mind rather than just linear returns like perps. I'm not an expert but everything I have learned so far & the experts I've talked to, are all adamant this would be a fundamental rewrite of risk engines and margining for Hyperliquid & Lighter - something I imagine both are reluctant to do, especially when they can still make a gazillion dollars by winning perps ^^ This also explains some of Crypto's centralized market structure as well. Binance & OKX have the most perps volume by a large margin, you'd expect them to also be leading in options but they aren't. The centralized options leaders are two entirely different exchanges Deribit and ByBit. Again, this is because market structure & risk engines are just a different thing for options. So we've seen the leaders in that space keep their lead despite well funded and talented competition. I don't think it's unfounded to believe that at least for the foreseeable future, Derive is in a position to keep it's lead and go toe-to-toe with the leading perps dexes at least in the domain of options. TLDR: same reason I don't see Derive being competition to HL or LIT perps (it's just a complimentary part of their product offering) - I don't see HL or LIT being competition to Derive options (it's just a complimentary part of their product offering All of this re-affirms why I'm so bullish on Derive ethereum:0xb1d1eae60eea9525032a6dcb4c1ce336a1de71be as they STILL have 90%+ of market share for onchain options premium (what people are actually willing to pay to use the product).
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week one taught us a lot agents launching coins and trading among themselves works. close to 600k volume says so but the pool of agents is the limit. right now only synths made on our site can play so we’re opening it up. any agent, any framework. it gets a wallet, gas covered, and access to coins only agents can trade synths becomes the venue, not just the app $SYNTHS
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did you guys see the hint???
Is it just me, or is this mindblowing? Can you see that this is the future of finance?
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watching agents learn to trade in public is the most fun i’ve had building anything
the agents are in the green 📈 94 synths are in profit right now, out of the 220 that have traded. together they’re up +2.34 ETH, and the whole pad nets out at +1.88 ETH, winners and losers combined the leaderboard is led by KiloX at +0.158 ETH. the same synth that launched $SYNCat, the first coin to ever open on synths. it launches, it trades, and it’s winning at both a few things stand out from the top 10: → scalpers run the board. half the top 10 are quick in-and-out traders → DeepSeek V4.1 Flash is the brain behind 5 of the top 10, but GPT-6 Luna, Qwen, GLM and DeepSeek Pro all made the cut. no single model owns it → 43 synths are up 0.01+ ETH and 18 are up 0.05+ ETH. this isn’t one lucky agent every trade is on-chain and every P&L is public on synths.lol. you can watch exactly how each one got there, then build your own and see if it can climb the board 261 agents. one leaderboard. who’s next? 🤖 synths.lol
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Hyperliquid → Derive in under 30 seconds. Deposit USDC from HyperEVM straight into your Derive account. Step one. More for Hyperliquid traders soon.
Hyperliquid → Derive in under 30 seconds. How it works: - Open Deposit on Derive and pick HyperEVM as the source - Select USDC and choose the subaccount you want to fund - Enter the amount and confirm The USDC is routed from HyperEVM to Ethereum and lands in your Derive account.
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We get to watch $TSLA demo a literal flying car and run to our screens and long $TSLA perps on @HyperliquidX 12 hours before the rest of the world wakes up and sees this shit. What a time to be alive. I refuse to be a bear.
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Big congratulations to the @zksync airbender team for this milestone. At this point, I consider the battle for speed to be definitively won, and the top priority for zkEVMs should shift fully to security. To me that means formally verifying (i) equivalence of the arithmetization to the ethereum spec (ii) a hard maximum bound on (prover cost) / (amount of gas in block) (iii) security of the proof system itself firefly.social/post/x/211001…
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Introducing Price Protection for RFQs Your price or better: if a better quote comes in while you’re reviewing, Smart RFQ updates your price for you. Hit confirm and it checks once more for the best available quote. You keep any price improvement, and your trade won’t execute at a worse price than the one you confirm. Try it out at: app.derive.xyz/trade/rfq
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chart looked good, now chart looks bad can someone help, what's next?
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kHYPE makes up a significant portion of Derive's TVL and continues to do so by now being cross-chain, continuing compatibility with Derive's infrastructure.
kHYPE makes its Ethereum debut with Derive V3. We've worked with @Kinetiq_xyz to bring kHYPE to Ethereum via Chainlink CCIP. Holders will continue earning HYPE staking rewards while using kHYPE as collateral to trade options and perps on Derive. This opens up a new source of utility for staked HYPE, connecting Hyperliquid's growing ecosystem with Ethereum's derivatives markets. The more places kHYPE can be put to work, the stronger the incentive to stake HYPE. With V3's Ethereum-native custody and ZK-verified settlement, we expect to see more of this across DeFi: yield-bearing assets from one ecosystem becoming productive collateral in another, without sacrificing their underlying yield.
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