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I'm going to use Joel's post here as an opportunity to explain why we're doing what we're doing at BSVA and the BRC process (which was started in large part thanks to @ProjectBabbage)
Backwards compatibility is a virtue, until what you’re staying compatible with is the bottleneck.
Joel’s point is fair in general. New software usually should respect what came before. But the way Bitcoin wallets have always worked is not how Bitcoin was designed to work. It’s a workaround that stopped working the moment BSV got busy.
We’ve already tested it at scale. BSV has mined blocks of nearly 4GB. When application traffic peaked, the network kept producing blocks. What fell over was everything around it: indexers, exchanges, explorers, ElectrumX servers, and services that tried to keep up by scanning the whole chain for every address they cared about. Mining scaled. The application layer didn’t.
That’s the core problem with the ElectrumX model. A wallet asks a server, “What happened to my addresses?” To answer, that server has to index everyone’s history. Its cost grows with the whole network, not with its users. At 4GB blocks, that design isn’t old-fashioned. It’s broken.
Satoshi’s design was different. Payments go directly between the people involved. The original client even let you pay straight to an IP address. The whitepaper describes Simplified Payment Verification (SPV): you keep block headers and check a Merkle proof for the transactions that matter to you. Nobody has to watch the entire chain on your behalf.
That’s what the BRC-100 stack is built on. Transactions travel peer-to-peer with their own proofs attached (BEEF), and wallets verify them against headers. Your wallet’s workload grows with your own activity, not the world’s.
Does that make us right about everything? No. People raised real criticisms of MessageBox, and that’s directly why work is now underway (Thank you @deggen !) on WebRTC-based peer-to-peer connections. Keep the criticism coming. Better still, contribute. We want this to be the most scalable, usable stack ever built, and that takes people breaking it.
But “it’s not compatible with how we’ve always done things” isn’t a reason to stop. How we’ve always done things is what failed under real load. The miners are ready for terabyte blocks. Wallets and apps have to be designed to keep up now, not after the next wave of traffic takes them down again.
I think Joel, Cryptorebel, and others are raising good points that require us all to communicate in good faith. I hope to be a part of facilitating that conversation moving forward!
Replying to @___siggi___ @cryptorebel_SV
That seems backwards .. new things/software should be compatible with older things, not making themselves incompatible so that the older things have to change and support both.
Explaining Bitcoin at $17.50 to an empty room
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I want to address some of the common responses to this I've seen.
The biggest misconception about Bitcoin: “It isn’t real until it’s confirmed.”
Yesterday someone sent a transaction over a handheld radio with no internet and no phone signal. The pushback came straight away: “It doesn’t count until it settles on the blockchain.”
That objection gets something basic wrong about how commerce works, and about how Bitcoin was designed.
Accepting a payment and settling it were never the same thing.
When a shop takes a cheque, the money hasn’t moved yet. Card payments settle days later and can be reversed months later. Merchants accept them anyway, because commerce has never run on certainty. It runs on managed risk. The whitepaper says so in its first paragraph: under the existing system, “a certain percentage of fraud is accepted as unavoidable.”
Satoshi answered this in 2010.
In the “Bitcoin snack machine (fast transaction problem)” thread, he described accepting payments in seconds with “good-enough” checking. When someone pushed back, he wrote: “I didn’t say impermeable, I said good-enough,” and said the loss in practice would be “far lower than with credit cards.” He wasn’t selling a technical utopia. He was describing how real businesses work.
What the merchant actually knows offline
With Bitcoin (BSV), the customer presents the transaction along with Merkle proofs for its inputs. The merchant checks those against block headers stored on their own device. No internet is needed. In seconds they know the coins exist, they’re in the chain, and the signatures are valid.
The only remaining risk is a double-spend. Think about what that means in a physical shop. The customer is standing at your counter, on your cameras, buying something in person. Double-spending you there isn’t a clever attack on the protocol. It’s fraud, it’s a crime, and you know who did it. That’s exactly the same protection that kept cheques working for a century.
Confirmations are a dial the merchant sets, not a rule the network imposes.
Section 11 of the whitepaper works out double-spend probability as a function of how many blocks you wait. That only makes sense if the recipient chooses how long to wait. So:
- A coffee or a bus fare: accept it instantly.
- A laptop: maybe wait for the network to see it.
- A car: wait for confirmations before you hand over the keys.
Same protocol, different decisions, because the economics are different.
Where the misconception came from
Many people believe “Bitcoin needs confirmations” because BTC changed its relay policy so that unconfirmed transactions can be replaced (Replace-By-Fee). Once replacement became the norm, zero-confirmation payments stopped being trustworthy there, and a generation of users learned that waiting for blocks was the only safe option. That was a policy choice, not part of Bitcoin’s design. BSV kept the original first-seen rule, so the payment that reaches the network first is the one that counts.
The bottom line
Bitcoin was built for the real world, where there are laws, identities, cameras, reputations and courts. It was never meant to replace all of that with block confirmations. It was meant to make payments cheap, instant and final enough for the risk involved.
Offline payments on BSV aren’t a workaround. They’re the system working as Satoshi described it.
Inb4 this gets deleted bc it’s BSV 😭
JUST IN: SOMEONE JUST SENT #BITCOIN FROM A HANDHELD RADIO WITH NO INTERNET AND NO PHONE SIGNAL
FREEDOM TECH IS SPREADING
LOVE TO SEE IT 🔥
BSVanon retweeted
Pete's right. That is Bitcoin.
Read the screen: "Bitcoin SV / Radio Payments."
The phone: "Received $0.08 / 0.00400 BSV." (h/t @71Nous)
Settled on-chain in block 970,761 on Oct 12: whatsonchain.com/tx/03f57a25…
Jack Dorsey, January 2025: "if this ends up just being digital gold, I think it's failed."
So which chain is doing the electronic cash part?
Hint: the one on the screen.
Bitcoin's biggest cheerleaders are celebrating what BSV already does.
Welcome aboard, Pete!
JUST IN: SOMEONE JUST SENT #BITCOIN FROM A HANDHELD RADIO WITH NO INTERNET AND NO PHONE SIGNAL
FREEDOM TECH IS SPREADING
LOVE TO SEE IT 🔥
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Replying to @pete_rizzo_
Wait a second, those look like real #BSV Bitcoins and not BTC-Pedophile coins. Are you going to delete this?
Replying to @pete_rizzo_
The real Bitcoin; BSV, not the fake Bitcoin; BTC.
BSVanon retweeted
Replying to @pete_rizzo_
Don't confuse BTC with the original Bitcoin.
Since BTC is basically nothing—it's slow, expensive, and has a limited block size.
Bitcoin SV is actually the Bitcoin that was envisioned by Satoshi Nakamoto!
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wow adamback.com/
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Reminder:
Teranode is public code on the BSV Association's GitHub, under the Open BSV License, with a commit history going back years.
There’s a million dumb rumors about it from every corner of the world, but you can run it yourself if you see fit.
github.com/bsv-blockchain/te…
Replying to @kurtwuckertjr
As it stands a split/(fork) is unavoidable.
True Bitcoiners will stick to the original freedom sovereign approach and will not touch the private member lodge approach even with a 10 foot pole.
The original is faster, better if pruned.
BSVanon retweeted
Stealing Satoshi’s airdrop tokens. Paul Sztorc should go to prison.
Replying to @Truthcoin
Main Site: ecash.com
Also Follow: @BTCdrivechains
Dashboard: dashboard.ecash.com
(BetaNet) Explorer: explorer.ecash.com
Full Node Software:
- github.com/ecash-com/bitcoin
- github.com/ecash-com/bitcoin…
- releases.drivechain.info/
Pre-Trading:
- 6ombVv3YMs9qpx1QkycD9XW8HKSfv7vGrCFX3cxCYMVY
- orca.so/pools/7T4xAj1ENEuPck…
- ecash.com/wrap_info.txt
More Info:
- LayerTwoLabs.com/friends
- truthcoin.info/blog/derangem…
- drivechain.info
Stealing Satoshi's Coins ?!
- xitter.cf/Truthcoin/status/20766…
Steal half of Satoshi's coins, profit.
All the forks will hate on eCash.com because it is superior.
Also, once you understand it you can't help yourself but to love it.
The funniest part is that you really can't find a solid argument against eCash (ECX).
Everyone that I have seen try to argue against eCash ends up becoming a supporter.
No intelligent person that actually researches is opposed to it.
Everyone’s on the BSVA payroll.
@BSVAssociation as I have made the case to BSV USA, you need a resident schizo on hand.
My resume includes 8 years of unendingly retarded BSV posting.
Call me.
How can Ty Everett be a BSVA ambassador & be a founding member of the BSV USA Ass at the same time? Time to cut yourself free @ProjectBabbage
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Replying to @ComedyLond
Because I didn't fork anything.
BTC changed the protocol. BSV restored and preserved the original rules.
Starting a new chain with a new genesis block would have created a different system, not Bitcoin.
The entire point was continuity of the existing ledger, existing transactions, existing ownership records, and the protocol as originally designed.
If you create a new genesis block, you are creating a new asset.
Bitcoin was already running. The objective was not to invent a replacement. It was to keep the original system operating under the original rules.
The real fork occurred when others changed the protocol. Preserving the protocol is not a fork. Changing it is.
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Yeah let's ditch BSV for eCash (what the fuck is eCash?) and rename BSV to BCP at the bottom when people are finally discovering BSV 🤡
Fucking RETARDS
BSVanon retweeted
I'm American. I feel the lack of access to BSV on US exchanges as much as anyone. But access and liquidity aren't just an American problem. It's a global one, we've known it for a long time, and we're doing something about it.
A lot is happening behind the scenes: exchanges coming on board, in some cases back on board, with real liquidity. Could the Association do a better job of telling you about it? Absolutely. We own that.
Mistakes were made that contributed to BSV getting delisted in the first place. Not all of those decisions were made by the people here today, but the community paid for them, and we have to own them.
A group of people organizing for the good of BSV in the USA, not waiting for someone else to fix things, is exactly the energy this community (and Americans in general!) runs on. I'd love to be part of it.
But exchanges were never the whole point. Bitcoin was never just about speculation, buying and holding, and watching a chart. It's about use. The only way Bitcoin succeeds is if this kind of energy goes into building applications on top of the protocol, things we all want to use and build with. We can't lose sight of that mission.
And let me be clear: the entire point of Bitcoin is that there is no king. By locking the protocol, no single entity can alter the foundation we're building on. Not the Association, not anyone. Nobody needs our permission to build, organize, or fight for it.
The Association is simply people acting in the best interest of BSV, and for the first time, it's run by people who've been in the trenches with all of you. You're going to see a lot more of what that means very soon.
That's why opening twitter and seeing a rebrand push is frustrating. Not because anyone needed to ask us, but because contacting CoinMarketCap and others to rename BSV, without talking to the rest of the people working on the same problems, doesnt feel super productive. Telegram, email, or DM me here. Nobody should be afraid to reach out.
We're also starting working groups where people can build together. An effort like this could live under one of them. Not joining something we run, but being part of something we're all building.
The oldest way to kill a movement is to splinter it. A new name and ticker just tells the world we can't agree on who we are.
We're stronger together. Let's build solutions together.
What eCash, Sky & NEO teach us about a BSV rebrand cycle
A rebrand changes the ticker and marketing optics. It does not change the ledger.
Past examples:
eCash (BCHA → XEC): Same chain + 1:1,000,000 split. Spiked ~1,200% on unit bias & new listings, then dumped 85%+.
Sky (MKR → SKY): 1:24,000 split. No hype. Dropped 50% and just followed the market.
NEO (Antshares → NEO): Clean rename. Rode the 2017 bubble to ~$200, then crashed 95%.
The pattern:
1. Front-run thin books
2. New listings = exit liquidity for old holders
3. Slow bleed once hype dies
For BSV: Exchanges list assets, not tickers. They dropped BSV over legal/compliance issues, not the name. A rebrand can reset marketing. It cannot create real demand. Utility does.
























