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Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
Flowsta Vault 1.6.1 just dropped!
Download @ flowsta.com/vault/
1.6.0 put your identity on every desktop device you own, with your private data following it.
1.6.1 gives apps built with the Flowsta SDK what they need to do the same with their own private data.
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Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
< " I made the mistake of putting a crazy amount of effort into creating the Cooperative before there was a business. I'm not going to make that mistake again. " >
Replying to @TiberiusB @WeAreFlowsta
Thanks again for taking the time to do this Tiberius.
I've loosely followed your work since I've followed @mbauwens as he has so often referenced Sensorcia. So you taking the time to write about this report and the one for @YourOwnAI means so much to me.
For our different paths to get to this time, I'm really glad to connect with someone like yourself who I have far more in alignment with than not. Which, in this day and age, is a win in itself.
For the most part, I see that most of what's in your report is either in place or is planned in some shape of manner. That being said, there's still plenty in it that I've taken on board to think about.
I'd imagine if our roles were reversed, I'd be asking similar questions.
So I'll answer a few of the big pieces I thought came out of this report and then if there's anything else you'd like to ask as a follow up now or in the future, please do so.
Lock-in is something you mentioned and it's something I have designed the Flowsta SDK and services around, making sure there is no lock-in.
Everything Flowsta provides to developers (the SDK packages and the agent-linking zome) is MIT-licensed, so a developer can modify it, remove it or replace it with their own code at any time.
With the Holochain CAL then data is never locked in. The Holochain backup data in Vault holds the Holochain keys. The persons whose data it is can take it or recreate it anywhere they like.
Building a Holochain app to use the Flowsta SDK changes one main assumption: the person is not their agent key. A Flowsta identity is linked to the app's agent keys by a signed attestation that anyone on the app's network can verify, so one person can have several agents: one per device, all on the same private network, and one per identity when several Flowsta identities share a computer.
The app therefore recognises people by their Flowsta identity, keeps each identity's data separate, lists shared records at a fixed address so every device sees the same set, and treats edits and deletions as new records that any of the person's devices can write.
Keys, backups and recovery stay in the person's Flowsta Vault rather than in the app, and the app handles the Vault being absent, locked or holding a different identity. None of this ties an app to Flowsta. These are ordinary Holochain patterns, and as I said, the SDK and linking zome are MIT-licensed, so an app built this way still works without them. The developer would then provide their own sign-in, a way to share the network between devices, and backups.
Regarding the Cooperative side of things. This is in my DNA. I can't promise how it will or won't look in the end.
As I've mentioned before, I was the driving force behind building a Cooperative around a previous startup.
shareable.net/interviewed-ma…
I made the mistake of putting a crazy amount of effort into creating the Cooperative before there was a business. I'm not going to make that mistake again.
The upcoming groups and agreements functionality that I'm building now is a big part of how the Cooperative will run. I'm building the tech I see as necessary to run any group, but in this case, a Cooperative.
Holochain DNAs are actually key to this. @hubermanlab talks about overt and covert contracts. Overt being transparent and explicit, whilst covert being much of what we see in orgs everywhere right now. Bringing everything into the overt is what we're building.
So as the tech moats disappear, it all becomes about whether the people in any group agree to the overt contracts, and if they don't, they move on based on the agreements they've agreed to. ie, who is responsible for what roles, what happens to data created as part of that group when someone leaves, or how revenue is shared, is all clear.
So this world is radically different to what we've known before. But the elephant in the room is that we're no longer just talking about humans. I know this is beyond the scope of your report, but this piece is why I am working with such a sense of urgency right now.
I read @harari_yuval's book Nexus at the start of the year when I was in the early stages of designing what I'm building now. It's a pretty long book, so it's hard to summarise, but there is an existential risk that Harari speaks to so well.
The risk is around treating Humans and AIs as the same, and I'm not pointing towards a hierarchy, but realising the strengths and weaknesses of each and designing systems around that.
AIs are excellent with overt contracts, like what groups governed by Holochain DNAs make possible.
Just saying this to paint the picture of what I'm so focused on building right now. So I'm not exactly sure how the OVN patterns or other patterns from other projects map onto what we're building. I imagine it will help accelerate many projects.
I highly recommend sending an AI over to the Flowsta SDK github.com/WeAreFlowsta/flow… to ask what potential apps and the people using those apps can gain from it. That's pretty great now, but will be even more so in the next few weeks as the agreements and groups functionality rolls out.
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Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
#Holochain #Holo #Holofuel #Holofamily #Holoverse #Holomonday #Unyt #Web3 #Dweb #Depin #RWA
New hAppenings article.
->happeningscommunity.substack…
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
1/ We discovered something totally unexpected about the neural structure of consciousness that overturns decades of thinking on its biological basis and brings us significantly closer to the recipe for generating conscious awareness.
New preprint: biorxiv.org/content/10.64898… (led by @HesseJanis, with @FrankLanfranchi, @_conor_mcgrory, @Yuelin_Shi, and @EngelTatiana)
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
What some people don’t understand about @Holochain.
Big companies won’t invest in it because its whole purpose is to give power and value to the end users.
Uber or Airbnb will never use Holochain because it removes their extractive abilities.
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
ummmm, check out:
github.com/holochain/ai-tool…
and
soushi888.github.io/holochai…
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
Holochain weekly pulse
A hApp now tries again when no peer is there to take its new data, instead of counting it as sent.
@Holochain's framework made the change; in the author's local test, zero-arc peers had their commitments accepted in about 15 seconds instead of 6 minutes.
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
* ai-tools for Holochain
github.com/holochain/ai-tool…
"A collection of AI-agent assets (Claude Code skills, eventually plugins and MCP servers) for working with the Holochain ecosystem."
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
Non-solicited consultation offered pro bono by Sensorica to @WeAreFlowsta
In short :
Flowsta's current model can become a respectable user-owned identity and signing service. That is good, but it may remain bounded: subscriptions, hosted services, support, enterprise integrations, and creator-provenance tools.
The larger opportunity is to become shared trust infrastructure for socio-economic ecosystems.
Groups everywhere will need ways to verify identity, consent, authorship, rights, contribution, role, decision, and data portability without handing their social life to a platform. Holochain and hApps make this technically plausible. Moss-like groupware makes it socially relevant. Flowsta can make it usable. @zippy314
The reason to move toward a more P2P economic model is not doctrine. It is that the new value dimensions only appear when many actors can safely build, contribute, trust, fork, integrate, and share benefits.
The practical form does not need to be abrupt.
- Flowsta-the-company can remain a service provider.
- Flowsta-the-protocol can become shared trust infrastructure.
- Flowsta-at-the-edge can launch OVN-compatible ventures around new multi-party work: creator provenance, AI consent, contribution receipts, group governance signatures, hApp backup/recovery, public verification, and Nondominium compatibility.
In that model, Flowsta does not need to charge every group before value is created. It can be named as infrastructure in the agreements of ventures that use it. When those ventures generate revenue, rights, reputation, access, public funding, service credits, or other benefits, Flowsta receives a legitimate share because it helped create the conditions for that value.
Put simply: A traditional model can monetize trust features. An ecosystem model can grow trustworthy socio-economic infrastructure.
That is the prosperity path most consistent with Flowsta's ethical center: users keep keys, creators keep agency, groups keep memory, contributors can become visible, and Flowsta earns by making the ecosystem more capable. Long-tail use by low-resource groups is not a loss in this model; it is diffusion, legitimacy, and field intelligence. Some of those groups will later create benefits, and Flowsta can be part of the benefit flow because it was part of the infrastructure from the beginning.
Full report here:
sensorica.co/products/busine…
@soushi888 @Holochain @H_O_L_O_
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
Happy Birthday to us!! 🥳🎉
It's been 1 year since we started Holochain development on Flowsta.
It's been 12 months and 1 day since the idea for a Holochain-based auth system came.
Very exciting for the year ahead. What we've got planned for the next few weeks alone is huge.
Major Holochain Milestone.. 🎉
We've built our MVP for our decentralised authorisation system. All user data is written and stored to a Holochain DHT on the recently released Holo Hosting Edge Node.
Look how quick it is!! Almost instantly, it creates Holochain key pairs and returns the Agent ID.
Time to build out the product. Will test first on @YourOwnAI, then release.
Check out this song I made! suno.com/s/O34vP1hdOliIVwZt
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Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
If you have an idea for something to be built on @Holochain, don’t wait for someone else to build it.
Find a dev and get them excited. #adoptAdev
Or reach out to @Holo_Ventures
What some people don’t understand about @Holochain.
Big companies won’t invest in it because its whole purpose is to give power and value to the end users.
Uber or Airbnb will never use Holochain because it removes their extractive abilities.
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
On the heels of that, xitter.cf/lolit_a3/status/211076… is a charming 'nature documentary' take on how a Holochain networks. Enjoyable and easy to understand!
(Note: community-created content may contain inaccuracies or claims that the Holochain team has not vetted or endorsed. Official news always comes from official channels.)
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
It's nice to be bested by the community!
happradar.com is created by a community member, and it aggregates all sorts of data from GitHub and turns it into readable news on the state of the Holochain ecosystem.
At this scale of aggregation, happradar.com gives a broader picture of the vitality of the ecosystem than our own Dev Pulse does. Bravo @EnchantedRobot for doing us one better!
Follow @happradar for weekly digests.
“Isn’t that @zippy314’s lab? He co-founded Holochain!” Exactly. Eric knows what this infrastructure can do. LRL builds new things; we make them commercially viable.
Moss will always be open source. We’re committed to non-extractive business models that preserve groups’ autonomy while adding real value. And more Moss adoption means more demand for Holo hosting.
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
Want to build a Holochain app? Don’t know where to start? The best way is to have your AI coding tool start from a working app.
Here’s one for you!
Now get started.
I built ProofPoll which is a real functional Holochain desktop app for forking and building your own Holochain app.
There's a years worth of developing with Holochain in it.
Point an AI @ github.com/WeAreFlowsta/Proo…
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
Currently helping the team do further tests on #Unyt for the #Hot to #Holofuel swap. Testing is open to everyone and the more that start, the better feedback and results the team will get. #holochain
Holo Ventures has signed an MOU with Lightningrod Labs to bring their products to market, starting with the groupware app, Moss. 🧵
Moss is local-first group communication and collaboration that doesn’t need servers. It keeps working where fibre doesn’t reach, when networks are saturated (events) or down (disasters), and wherever privacy is essential, like medical clinics or stealth startups.
It’s open source, built on @holochain, and already in daily use. Together we’ll make it mature enough for more groups to adopt, including enterprises, civic institutions, and regen networks, so they can own their infrastructure without becoming IT experts.
Tim Andersen ♓️ retweeted
We're excited about this one. It's closer to home -- Lightningrod Labs is founded by @zippy314 , Holochain's co-creator -- and this relationship will take its flagship app Moss ( moss.social ) to the market while standing firmly for what Holochain stands for -- your groups, your data, your infrastructure.
Holo Ventures has signed an MOU with Lightningrod Labs to bring their products to market, starting with the groupware app, Moss. 🧵
Moss is local-first group communication and collaboration that doesn’t need servers. It keeps working where fibre doesn’t reach, when networks are saturated (events) or down (disasters), and wherever privacy is essential, like medical clinics or stealth startups.
It’s open source, built on @holochain, and already in daily use. Together we’ll make it mature enough for more groups to adopt, including enterprises, civic institutions, and regen networks, so they can own their infrastructure without becoming IT experts.




















