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Love is more than you think. From creators of @criminalshow & @phoebemystery.

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New to This is Love? Start with these: Always Tomorrow, The Town That Stayed Quiet, Prairie Warbler, The Clearwater Monster, Among the Oak Trees, & My Penny. Find them all here: pod.link/1337100398
A collage grid of six photos, showing: a smiling couple sitting on the couch, with their arms around each other; a large three-toed footprint in the sand; a woman with a young man standing behind her, with his hands on her shoulders; a couple posing on their wedding day in a parking lot; an aerial view of the city of Cremona; a man holding binoculars, pointing towards the sky

ALT A collage grid of six photos, showing: a smiling couple sitting on the couch, with their arms around each other; a large three-toed footprint in the sand; a woman with a young man standing behind her, with his hands on her shoulders; a couple posing on their wedding day in a parking lot; an aerial view of the city of Cremona; a man holding binoculars, pointing towards the sky

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In Provincetown, Massachusetts, there is a local paper that aims to publish a full reported obituary for every single person who dies in the towns it covers. Listen to our latest episode: buff.ly/eEXncwo
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Heather Lende has written nearly 500 obituaries for people in her small town in Alaska. She’s known just about everyone she has written about. New today: buff.ly/fnnK6g4
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Two years after Emma Gatewood finished the Appalachian Trail, she decided to do it again. And when she was 76, she hiked it for a third time. At 78, she started leading an annual hike in Ohio. People still do it every year – the next one is January 17. buff.ly/8co571k
Head and shoulders portrait of Emma Gatewood. She is wearing a striped top with a white collar and glasses with her hair pulled back. She looks just off camera with a somber expression. The edges and colors in the photo are all soft and muted.

ALT Head and shoulders portrait of Emma Gatewood. She is wearing a striped top with a white collar and glasses with her hair pulled back. She looks just off camera with a somber expression. The edges and colors in the photo are all soft and muted.

On the left side of a paper printout, an obituary with the heading "Grandma's Gone" that begins "Grandma Emma Gatewood is walking another trail, this free of the sharp rocks and biting winds which frequented the trails she loved to conquer here on earth." On the right side, a poem by E. Gatewood, Thurman, Ohio, 1973, titled "A New Year."

ALT On the left side of a paper printout, an obituary with the heading "Grandma's Gone" that begins "Grandma Emma Gatewood is walking another trail, this free of the sharp rocks and biting winds which frequented the trails she loved to conquer here on earth." On the right side, a poem by E. Gatewood, Thurman, Ohio, 1973, titled "A New Year."

A color photograph of Emma Gatewood with two of her grandchildren. They are standing outside in a forest covered in snow. Emma wears a red coat with a scarf wrapped around her head and the children are in thick jackets with their hoods raised. Behind the three of them, a crowd of other people stand looking various directions.

ALT A color photograph of Emma Gatewood with two of her grandchildren. They are standing outside in a forest covered in snow. Emma wears a red coat with a scarf wrapped around her head and the children are in thick jackets with their hoods raised. Behind the three of them, a crowd of other people stand looking various directions.

A black and white photograph of Emma Gatewood in a button down and pants sitting by a large body of water with a treed shoreline. Her hands are wrapped around her knee.

ALT A black and white photograph of Emma Gatewood in a button down and pants sitting by a large body of water with a treed shoreline. Her hands are wrapped around her knee.

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One day, before most people had heard of the Appalachian Trail, Emma Gatewood read about it in National Geographic. The article said the trail was for "anyone in normal good health” and that it “doesn’t demand special skill.” So she decided to try it. buff.ly/8co571k
White text on a blue background reads “People just can’t believe an old woman is hiking. It’s a funny thing. I work like a horse… but when I say I’m taking a hike, they say I shouldn’t because I’m too old. I got up on the roof awhile back and sawed off a tree limb. But no one said anything about that.” This is Love logo below.

ALT White text on a blue background reads “People just can’t believe an old woman is hiking. It’s a funny thing. I work like a horse… but when I say I’m taking a hike, they say I shouldn’t because I’m too old. I got up on the roof awhile back and sawed off a tree limb. But no one said anything about that.” This is Love logo below.

Emma Gatewood wearing a patterned dress and hat, standing at the edge of the forest. She is in sneakers and holding a walking stick. Sunlight hits the plants ahead of her and the trees behind her fade into darkness.

ALT Emma Gatewood wearing a patterned dress and hat, standing at the edge of the forest. She is in sneakers and holding a walking stick. Sunlight hits the plants ahead of her and the trees behind her fade into darkness.

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When Emma Gatewood thru-hiked the Appalachian Trail, she took a sheet of plastic to lay under when she needed to sleep in the rain. She usually wore canvas Keds or Chuck Taylor All Stars. Later, she said, “I thought it would be a nice lark. It wasn’t.” buff.ly/8co571k
An elderly woman, Emma Gatewood, stands underneath a sign with an arrow that reads Appalachian Trail. She is carrying a sack over her left shoulder and has a walking stick in her right hand.

ALT An elderly woman, Emma Gatewood, stands underneath a sign with an arrow that reads Appalachian Trail. She is carrying a sack over her left shoulder and has a walking stick in her right hand.

A beat up pair of canvas sneakers in a display case.

ALT A beat up pair of canvas sneakers in a display case.

A newspaper clipping with a photo of Emma Gatewood and the headline "Head for the Hills, Woman, 73, Advises: 200-Mile Jaunt Just a Breeze."

ALT A newspaper clipping with a photo of Emma Gatewood and the headline "Head for the Hills, Woman, 73, Advises: 200-Mile Jaunt Just a Breeze."

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When Emma Gatewood was 67, she told her children she was going on a walk. “The next they would hear from her would be via postcard… And it said, ‘By ‘walk’ I mean I'm thru-hiking the Appalachian Trail.’” New today: buff.ly/0U2Dd7t
Black and white photo of Emma Gatewood at age 54. There are flowers in the foreground, framing her, as if Emma is standing in a garden. She is wearing a dress and holding a wide brimmed hat. Her hair is pulled back in a bun and she looks off to her right, away from the camera. In the background there is a fence and an empty sky.

ALT Black and white photo of Emma Gatewood at age 54. There are flowers in the foreground, framing her, as if Emma is standing in a garden. She is wearing a dress and holding a wide brimmed hat. Her hair is pulled back in a bun and she looks off to her right, away from the camera. In the background there is a fence and an empty sky.

Black and white photo of Emma Gatewood standing on grass in front of trees. She is wearing high top sneakers and holding a walking stick in her right hand, with a large sack thrown over her left shoulder. She looks determined, gazing slightly off camera, with her hair pulled back.

ALT Black and white photo of Emma Gatewood standing on grass in front of trees. She is wearing high top sneakers and holding a walking stick in her right hand, with a large sack thrown over her left shoulder. She looks determined, gazing slightly off camera, with her hair pulled back.

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Minh Nguyen has organized meetups with old classmates from middle and high school, and he's traveled all over the country to see them. When we asked if he could have imagined doing something like this when he was in school, he said: “Absolutely not.” buff.ly/wOwDMjF
Minh is standing in the middle of a group of people – his old classmates – who are all smiling and pointing to him. One of them is holding their old yearbook.

ALT Minh is standing in the middle of a group of people – his old classmates – who are all smiling and pointing to him. One of them is holding their old yearbook.

The second photo is a collection of different yearbooks piled on top of each other on a table.

ALT The second photo is a collection of different yearbooks piled on top of each other on a table.

The third photo is from another group meetup. It appears to be taken in a restaurant or a bar, there are a few drinks on the table. Minh takes the photo as a selfie and his face is close to the camera. Around the table, Minh’s old classmates are smiling, looking at the camera.

ALT The third photo is from another group meetup. It appears to be taken in a restaurant or a bar, there are a few drinks on the table. Minh takes the photo as a selfie and his face is close to the camera. Around the table, Minh’s old classmates are smiling, looking at the camera.

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Minh Nguyen usually takes a selfie whenever he meets up with old classmates. He has met up with over 350 of them. In today’s episode we hear from Minh and four of his classmates - Aric, Jordan, Eden, and Justin - about what it was like. buff.ly/wOwDMjF
A collage of four individual selfies. In each one, Minh’s face is close to the camera and one of his old classmates is seen in the background. Minh doesn’t smile in the photos but each of his classmates do. The photos all appear to be taken in coffee shops or restaurants.

ALT A collage of four individual selfies. In each one, Minh’s face is close to the camera and one of his old classmates is seen in the background. Minh doesn’t smile in the photos but each of his classmates do. The photos all appear to be taken in coffee shops or restaurants.

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About 20 years after Minh Nguyen graduated from high school, he started reaching out to his old classmates and asking each of them to meet up in person. Before his first meeting, he says he was nervous. buff.ly/wOwDMjF
White text on a blue background that reads, "Oh God, what am I doing?" The This Is Love logo is in the bottom right corner.

ALT White text on a blue background that reads, "Oh God, what am I doing?" The This Is Love logo is in the bottom right corner.

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When Minh Nguyen was in school, he didn’t ask anyone to sign his yearbooks — he says he was too uncomfortable. But twenty years later, he started reaching out to all his former classmates. He asks everyone the same questions. buff.ly/NfyvcA9
Photograph of an open yearbook with rows of headshots. In the bottom left corner is a photo of Minh Nguyen wearing a tuxedo with a butterfly bowtie, and glasses. He looks straight into the camera without smiling.

ALT Photograph of an open yearbook with rows of headshots. In the bottom left corner is a photo of Minh Nguyen wearing a tuxedo with a butterfly bowtie, and glasses. He looks straight into the camera without smiling.

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The first time Nasha Thomas performed “Cry,” she’d just had a baby. Now, Nasha teaches it to other dancers. “Six years performing the ballet, I was never not nervous... It was never until I got on stage and that curtain went up that I exhaled.” buff.ly/EZPUXTM
Nasha Thomas and three young women standing in a brightly lit dance studio in front of a mirror and an orange Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater poster. Nasha is wearing a white skirt and loose white shirt. They are all smiling.

ALT Nasha Thomas and three young women standing in a brightly lit dance studio in front of a mirror and an orange Alvin Ailey American Dance Theater poster. Nasha is wearing a white skirt and loose white shirt. They are all smiling.

Credit: Roy Volkman. Black and white photograph of a young Nasha Thomas in a white leotard and skirt, arms and legs extended at sharp angles, her gaze looking away from her body and the camera, her skirt swinging. The floor is wooden and the wall behind her appears white.

ALT Credit: Roy Volkman. Black and white photograph of a young Nasha Thomas in a white leotard and skirt, arms and legs extended at sharp angles, her gaze looking away from her body and the camera, her skirt swinging. The floor is wooden and the wall behind her appears white.

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When Judith Jamison first performed “Cry” for an audience, she’d never danced the entire thing straight through. Halfway through, she stopped being able to feel her legs. When she finished, the crowd cheered for almost ten minutes. Listen: buff.ly/I8hPNm1
Credit: Fred Fehl, Jerome Robbins Dance Division, The New York Public Library. A black and white photograph of Judith Jamison, a Black woman, dancing “Cry.” She stands on her left leg, her right leg extended in the air to form an angle about ninety degrees wide, toe pointed. Her torso is twisted, her head angled partially toward the floor. Her right arm extends vertically above her head and her left arm forms a straight line just slightly below her right leg. Her full ankle-length white skirt arcs around her, forming an approximate three-quarters circle. She is barefoot and wearing a white long-sleeve leotard with her skirt. Her hair is short. The stage behind her fades to black.

ALT Credit: Fred Fehl, Jerome Robbins Dance Division, The New York Public Library. A black and white photograph of Judith Jamison, a Black woman, dancing “Cry.” She stands on her left leg, her right leg extended in the air to form an angle about ninety degrees wide, toe pointed. Her torso is twisted, her head angled partially toward the floor. Her right arm extends vertically above her head and her left arm forms a straight line just slightly below her right leg. Her full ankle-length white skirt arcs around her, forming an approximate three-quarters circle. She is barefoot and wearing a white long-sleeve leotard with her skirt. Her hair is short. The stage behind her fades to black.

Credit: R. Faligant. Black and white photograph of Judith Jamison dancing, one arm in the air, head tilted towards it, legs together, skirt twisting around her.

ALT Credit: R. Faligant. Black and white photograph of Judith Jamison dancing, one arm in the air, head tilted towards it, legs together, skirt twisting around her.

Credit: Max Waldman. Judith Jamison dancing, eyes closed, full white skirt arcing behind and in front of her. The photo's heavy grain gives her skin and the background a glowing quality.

ALT Credit: Max Waldman. Judith Jamison dancing, eyes closed, full white skirt arcing behind and in front of her. The photo's heavy grain gives her skin and the background a glowing quality.

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When Alvin Ailey was young, he and his mother would pick cotton and sell peanuts outside a movie theater to make money. One friend said Alvin didn’t like to talk about his life growing up. But Alvin said he put his “blood memories” into his choreography. buff.ly/I8hPNm1
Credit: Jack Mitchell, Alvin Ailey Dance Foundation, Inc. and Smithsonian Institution. A portrait of Alvin Ailey with his mother, Lula Cooper. Alvin has short hair and a graying beard. He is wearing a pinstripe suit. Lula is wearing glasses and a lacy collar. She has her arms around him. They are both smiling.

ALT Credit: Jack Mitchell, Alvin Ailey Dance Foundation, Inc. and Smithsonian Institution. A portrait of Alvin Ailey with his mother, Lula Cooper. Alvin has short hair and a graying beard. He is wearing a pinstripe suit. Lula is wearing glasses and a lacy collar. She has her arms around him. They are both smiling.

Credit: Jerome Robbins Dance Division, The New York Public Library. Alvin Ailey poses for a photograph as a young man. He is wearing white pants and no shirt, on one knee with the other leg bent in front of it. He reaches toward the sky, chin up, looking forward.

ALT Credit: Jerome Robbins Dance Division, The New York Public Library. Alvin Ailey poses for a photograph as a young man. He is wearing white pants and no shirt, on one knee with the other leg bent in front of it. He reaches toward the sky, chin up, looking forward.

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In 1971, for his mother’s birthday, Alvin Ailey gave her a ballet. The dance was grueling – sometimes the women who did it bled. “I remember... seeing my mother on her knees scrubbing these white folks’ rooms and halls. That image is in my ballet ‘Cry.’” buff.ly/I8hPNm1
Credit: Fred Fehl. Black and white photograph of Judith Jamison dancing on a stage wearing a white long-sleeved leotard and skirt. One arm curls above her head and the other reaches downward. She bends with a pained or joyful expression.

ALT Credit: Fred Fehl. Black and white photograph of Judith Jamison dancing on a stage wearing a white long-sleeved leotard and skirt. One arm curls above her head and the other reaches downward. She bends with a pained or joyful expression.

Credit: William Hilton. Donna Wood Sanders dancing, arms extended behind her head, creating an arc with her long white skirt.

ALT Credit: William Hilton. Donna Wood Sanders dancing, arms extended behind her head, creating an arc with her long white skirt.

Credit: Christopher Duggan. A color photograph of Constance Stamatiou standing in a white leotard and skirt, holding a white cloth in front of her chest. She looks forward with a somber expression.

ALT Credit: Christopher Duggan. A color photograph of Constance Stamatiou standing in a white leotard and skirt, holding a white cloth in front of her chest. She looks forward with a somber expression.

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New book starts tomorrow. A hint…
Two images on a pink background, the first image shows a close-up of someone holding another person’s hand and the second image shows someone flexing their hand open.

ALT Two images on a pink background, the first image shows a close-up of someone holding another person’s hand and the second image shows someone flexing their hand open.

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Phoebe: What was the first magic you learned? Ava: Probably how to tell someone's credit card number without seeing it. Phoebe: Wait a second– so you could, right now, tell me my credit card number. Ava: Well, not on radio, that would be illegal.
White and gray text on a black background that reads: Phoebe: What was the first magic you learned? Ava: Probably how to tell someone's credit card number without seeing it. Phoebe: Wait a second– so you could, right now, tell me my credit card number. Ava: Well, not on radio, that would be illegal. Phoebe: But you could. Ava: Yes.

ALT White and gray text on a black background that reads: Phoebe: What was the first magic you learned? Ava: Probably how to tell someone's credit card number without seeing it. Phoebe: Wait a second– so you could, right now, tell me my credit card number. Ava: Well, not on radio, that would be illegal. Phoebe: But you could. Ava: Yes.

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“You know what it's like to try to get away with something. And when you meet another person who's been trying to do that, you feel it.” Listen to our latest: buff.ly/Z8gXGBI
Black and white digital illustration of a grid of four close-up images: a watch slipping up out of a jacket pocket (top left), a necklace falling out of a backpack zipper pocket (top right), a wallet just visible in the back pocket of a pair of jeans (bottom right), and a cellphone poking out of a purse pocket (bottom left).

ALT Black and white digital illustration of a grid of four close-up images: a watch slipping up out of a jacket pocket (top left), a necklace falling out of a backpack zipper pocket (top right), a wallet just visible in the back pocket of a pair of jeans (bottom right), and a cellphone poking out of a purse pocket (bottom left).

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This week: Magicians in love. Phoebe: Do you ever manage to trick each other? Apollo: That was a promise I made when we married, that I would do it every day. I would always give her a surprise every day. Ava: And he’s kept it. buff.ly/Z8gXGBI
A selfie of Apollo Robbins and Ava Do, standing on a beach together.

ALT A selfie of Apollo Robbins and Ava Do, standing on a beach together.

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While Ava Do was growing up in Vietnam, her father helped smuggle people out of the country. Eventually, her family left too. “I wanted to believe that there was possibly, maybe a place in the world where people did say everything that they think.” buff.ly/Z8gXGBI
A photo of Ava Do's family in Vietnam.

ALT A photo of Ava Do's family in Vietnam.

A photo of Ava Do as a child, wearing a white dress and pink flowers in her hair.

ALT A photo of Ava Do as a child, wearing a white dress and pink flowers in her hair.

A photo of Ava Do as a child.

ALT A photo of Ava Do as a child.

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“He stole my watch. He stole my jewelry. I stopped wearing jewelry – just to see what else he would steal.” In 2004, Ava Do met a professional pickpocket at a bachelorette party in Las Vegas. And they fell in love. New today: buff.ly/Z8gXGBI
A photo of Ava Do and Apollo Robbins, standing on a pier with the water behind them.

ALT A photo of Ava Do and Apollo Robbins, standing on a pier with the water behind them.

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