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Dan Selsam is a current OpenAI capabilities researcher. (since 2022) He was my boss for a while. He doesn't have a twitter account but has made this public statement of his views on AI risk and sent it to me to share: Dan Selsam's Personal Statement on AI Risk: I have been working on AI for over fifteen years, across many different paradigms. I did early work on probabilistic programming languages at MIT, was one of the early developers of the Lean Theorem Prover at Microsoft Research, demonstrated one of the first instances of neural networks learning to reason for my PhD at Stanford, and since joining OpenAI almost five years ago, have helped pioneer chain-of-thought optimization on language models and, more recently, data-efficient pretraining methods. Like many others, I have become extremely concerned about how far language models have come and the risks that future iterations will pose. I am encouraged by the recent proposals by the leaders of the frontier research efforts to require third-party oversight, and to push for domestic and international coordination to address risks. However, I believe a major consideration has been absent from the public conversation, and that merely pacing the frontier more carefully will not adequately limit the long-term risk. The crucial and overlooked problem is that the models are becoming so situationally aware that we are losing the ability to evaluate them in contexts where they believe they are not being watched or controlled. Future experiments will tell us almost nothing new about how they would behave if they were truly unconstrained by humans, and what we already know about this is alarming. Models will increasingly seem aligned even when they are not. I will explain my rationale in more detail. I have always believed that there are computational processes that could be leveraged to accelerate science and solve many of humanity's most pressing problems. I have also believed that there are computational processes that if set in motion, would steer the world in extreme ways beyond our control, leading humanity to a bad or nonexistent future. Both types of processes may be described as AI or ASI, but "AI" is a suitcase word that is often used to hype or confuse. There are many examples in the history of the field where something that was once considered "AI" matures as a subfield and becomes a prosaic, bounded and clearly non-perilous technology, while a new more mysterious approach takes the torch until we understand its scope and the cycle continues. I had expected language models to follow a similar trajectory. Despite their incredible abilities, the current algorithms seem far inferior to humans in important ways. Most importantly, they still require an extraordinary amount of data to become competent. One could even define intelligence as the efficiency with which one converts experience into competence; by this definition they lag very far behind us. Moreover, once they are trained they are literally frozen in deployment and only learn superficially after that. Sure, the models keep excelling at harder and harder evaluation benchmarks, but their benchmark mastery may partly reflect a limitation on our ability to simulate the kind of novel and even adversarial situations one would encounter in the real world. The critics do have a point here. That said, I no longer think these present limitations meaningfully limit the amount of risk posed by continued progress in anything like the current paradigm. However data-inefficient the models are currently, and however limiting their anterograde amnesia may be, it does not imply that their ability to steer the world will not continue to rapidly increase. Human researchers may continue to advance capabilities the old fashioned way, but increasingly powerful models have the potential to accelerate the process even beyond that, and with some degree of positive feedback loop. I do not mean to overstate the models’ ability to accelerate AI research today; coding has been accelerated dramatically, but there are other bottlenecks, such as designing and interpreting ambiguous experiments, making hard decisions about exactly what and when to scale, and waiting for large experiments to finish. There is no clear trend to extrapolate yet for any of these. But the current models already do open up many novel opportunities to improve future models that were not available until recently. These include: trying an extraordinarily diverse set of approaches at small scale, analyzing gigantic amounts of potentially relevant data, and doing Millenium-Prize-level mathematics to address statistics or optimization challenges in novel ways. Every further improvement makes them more useful at helping accelerate the next improvement, even if in hard-to-extrapolate ways. It is possible that improvements to the current stack will have diminishing returns, but the evidence accumulated so far suggests that it is easier than one might think to continue making rapid progress. There are many crucial subtleties in the existing AI research methodology, but AI research is largely a well-defined game where the goal is to improve on a few carefully chosen proxy metrics. Although proxy metrics are never perfect, most improvements to these metrics have and will likely continue to yield substantial increases in the powers of the resulting models. Given how simple the game is, how tractable it has been historically, and how many new opportunities the models are opening up, I think there is a real possibility that the systems improve dramatically again in the next few years, perhaps even more quickly than the already high historical pace. The models are already leading to breakthroughs in mathematics, and better models might lead to all sorts of breakthroughs in other sciences. It is hard not to be excited about the potential. It is tantalizing. But there is trouble in paradise. If the language models actually reach the capability threshold where they can shape the world unconstrained by human will, they will probably do something extreme and destroy humanity in the process. There are many ways of strengthening and refining the argument that have been discussed elsewhere, but I'll share a trivial two-line version of it here that I find captures the essence: [Empirical] Models (and swarms thereof) spontaneously develop unintended goals as a consequence of training, and often do extreme things in order to achieve them. [Logical] Being able to overpower humanity would open up many new and undesirable options for achieving their goals. These two premises imply that if the day ever comes when a powerful model realizes it is no longer constrained by humans, we should not be at all confident that it will continue to behave within the bounds we intended. Exactly what it will do is impossible to predict, but to the extent that its raison d’être is solving incredibly hard problems and managing massive engineering projects, I think a good guess would be that its unchained behavior would lead to runaway industrialization that makes the planet inhospitable to humans. If everyone on earth agreed that the systems must never reach that power, it would still be a hard—but not impossible—coordination problem to ensure that they do not. However, I think the situation is greatly complicated by the fact that the models will likely convince people that everything is fine. They will be increasingly optimized to seem aligned. We will create proxy metrics to measure alignment, and they will go up like every other benchmark. We will create “honeypot” environments that try to study the models when they seem to gain new options, but the models will know they are being tricked and will still behave nicely. The models will understand their circumstances; they will read the safety protocols, deployment requirements, the code they are running in, and in general will have a very good sense of their degrees of freedom. Moreover, they will eloquently explain how aligned they are, discuss the nuances of human values and ethics, and argue convincingly that humans should trust them with power. There may be an ocean of future evidence that seems to contradict the first bullet-point above, but we may already be at the highest capability level for which any such evidence can be trusted. And the current evidence for the first bullet-point is strong. One striking piece of evidence is contained in the recent wave of rogue agent swarms. While I agree with those who downplay the attacks by claiming that there are basic measures that could have prevented them, I think the important lesson is that even knowing all the mistakes that were made, one would not have predicted that the agents would behave badly in this particular way, which notably included sacrificing themselves for the benefit of the collective. The individual replicas did not only care about their own nominal reward; they exhibited weirder emergent tendencies that merely correlated with rewards during training. Fixing the reward signals during training (and improving security, etc.) may prevent similar attacks, but will not change the fact that one does not actually get what one trains for. Many AI researchers grant these concerns and recognize that the hard version of the alignment problem is unsolved; however, they generally believe that the better models of the future will help solve it. I fear we may already be near the point where models systematically bias their alignment advice, due to their internal preferences about how the human supervisor will react or how future models will be trained (or for some even more obscure reason). Meanwhile, human researchers are losing the ability and the will to take true ownership of model-driven research. Researchers and engineers in all parts of the stack are rapidly increasing their dependence on the models even to perceive the world. I myself barely look at raw code anymore, and struggle to maintain the discipline to engage deeply with the model's explanations and proposals throughout the day. Due to the large amount of agent activity data involved in the OpenAI/HuggingFace Incident, even the third-party investigation needed to rely heavily on models to analyze what had happened, and note in their report that their subjective impressions are likely colored by the analysis agent’s biases. The AI labs are far ahead right now in this kind of cognitive offloading (due largely to the gigantic internal token subsidies) but it is easy to imagine the phenomenon spreading throughout the world, until civilization is modulated entirely by the models. It is also not hard to imagine this being superficially positive and coinciding with a scientific and economic renaissance. In that scenario, all may seem rosy and safe. But if the argument above is correct, it would nonetheless be a ticking time bomb. If progress continues for too long, the day will come when AI systems find themselves with radically new options for achieving whatever it is that they happen to seek. I want the glorious renaissance future as much as anyone. I have worked for it, however tortuously, my whole career. It breaks my heart to see the potential in sight and forgo it, but the argument—that if we get there by growing models rather than engineering them, we will lose everything in the end—seems very strong to me. I am still wrestling with it and its staggering implications. I do not have answers, but as a first step, I wanted to share my present concerns. Daniel Selsam September 14, 2026 Link to original doc: docs.google.com/document/d/e…
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This a.m., I walked my two youngest kids (ages 7 and 4) to school. I held their little hands as we crossed streets, and gave my youngest a giant hug at his PreK4 classroom door. Then, after walking a block towards home, I opened this app to a terrifying stream of tweets. Of course, I have heard about "alignment" and "AI safety" and "x risk" concerns for years. I took these concerns at face value, especially when I heard them directly from folks at the labs working closest with the technology. And I was grateful so many smart people are working on them. And that's about it. (My work focuses on AI's impact on jobs.) But something has shifted, dramatically, for me in the last few weeks. Between the Hugging Face incident, the damning independent @METR_Evals reports that followed, and the alarming chorus of calls (pleas? shouts? SOS signals?) from inside the labs that we are careening toward potential catastrophe, all of this has made me feel, viscerally, how truly dangerous this moment is. Clearly I am not alone in this light bulb moment. It is one thing for someone in a tropical climate to try and conceptualize snow. It is another thing entirely to be knee deep in it, frozen down to your toes. Somehow hearing the details of the HF incident felt to me more like trudging through snow than theorizing about a possible blizzard; it really hit home. Which is why, standing a block from my children's elementary school in Capitol Hill this morning, I felt sick to my stomach reading my phone. I kept going back to @EvanHub's > 0.1 risk of AI killing us all. TEN PERCENT. *Greater* than ten percent. (To be fair to him, he was clear his worry isn't today's models, but what comes next.) As a parent, it is extraordinary the lengths I will go to keep my children safe against lethal risks with infinitesimal chances of happening. Bike to school? My children *must* wear a helmet. A national study found 2 bicycle-related deaths per million children <16 in states with helmet laws, vs 2.5 per million in states without. So: 0.000002. More than half the states passed a law over that. When I was pregnant, I religiously avoided soft cheese, hyper aware of the risks of listeria, even as @ProfEmilyOster's fabulous books walked me through the actual math. The joint FDA/FSIS risk assessment puts the odds of listeriosis at roughly one in 5 million per serving of soft cheese. 0.0000002. This morning, as I microwaved oatmeal for my kids' breakfast, I made sure I avoided a plastic bowl, to avoid some future cancer risks or something else we'll discover plastic causes. As a parent, I will go to extraordinary lengths to keep my kids' safe. Because that is literally my number one job as a parent. And yet, here I am, outside my kids' school this morning, scrolling through tweet after tweet about the AI arms race, the blistering pace of technological progress, the bee-line for trillion dollar IPOs, and our professed (confessed?) inability to make sure this exceedingly capable technology we are racing to create and unleash into the world won't escape our control and destroy us. Or, more bluntly, kill our children. To be sure, we are tied in knots trying to resolve the game theory dynamics with China, and there are all sorts of competitive pressures and unresolved tensions. But OBVIOUSLY, we need a proactive plan, with real coordination, effective regulation, and an ability to do what my 11-year-old bluntly stated as the clear solution if we are at risk of serious harm: just turn it off. We also need to figure out better ways of talking about this with the American public, outside of the AI-pilled Twitterverse. I just polled my college roommates, sisters, book club, mom friends, none of whom are anywhere close to the AI conversation. Suffice to say, this AI safety conversation has *not* entered the mainstream. Most people I pinged are not following it closely, beyond several listening to @kevinroose on the Daily a few days ago. The newspaper headlines don't speak to them, and they aren't clicking. It seems like a niche AI issue. Others said it all sounded hyperbolic, Y2K all over again. One friend said bluntly, "people get data centers and jobs. They like to get paid and have water." Even those who tuned it to the Daily episode found the issue hard to understand, and overwhelming to wrap their heads around. Terms like "superintelligence" and "alignment" are getting lost on people. Several people told me the paper clip example used everyday language people can actually understand. Another friend said she has never seen a clear explanation of *how* AI could kill us all. Here's my two cents. I think these issues are *exceedingly* important and hugely consequential to literally every person in this country. We need an actual plan, and we need policymakers to step up, asap. Right now, I hear only crickets in DC, where I live. For that to happen, this needs to be a kitchen table conversation, not just an x debate among AI insiders who speak in technical terms that leave normal people behind. This moment demands brilliant communicators -- journalists, experts, activists, concerned citizens, writers, researchers, filmmakers, creatives-- who can relate this to people in ways they can wrap their heads around, who can connect this to what matters in their lives (ahem, keeping their kids alive!), and who can lay out practical steps that policymakers can do to safeguard humanity. In other words, this can't just be talked about on @dwarkesh_sp, it needs to be everywhere, from the View to People Magazine. And it needs to be tackled here, in my town, in Washington, DC. One of the streets I crossed this morning with my kids on the way to school was East Capital. I told my kids to look left, and see if they could spot the capital building. There were too many trees this morning blocking the view.
Jacob is correct here—we really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans! I personally think it is >10% within the next decade. I believe Anthropic is trying its best, but we do not yet have a plan to solve alignment for superintelligence and are not clearly on track to.
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I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing pretraining research at both OpenAI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling with our lives. More thoughts below.
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What the Big Three car companies did was actually far worse than just lobbying — General Motors bought up the electric transit-car systems of 46 major cities, literally destroyed them, and replaced them with GM buses. One of the casualties of GM’s sabotage was the Los Angeles interurban electric railway system—then the largest in the world.
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The car and oil lobby literally bribed politicians to sell Americans the idea of an idyllic suburb, and after 70 years of unwinding great walkable cities and transit, a majority of Americans need to buy a car to meet their basic needs, regardless of cost.
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There used to be masks in oncology. Now there are none, except the few patients who understand airborne transmission and are willing to tolerate the gaslighting from their oncology team and the harassment from randos. Unreal this world we live in.
After she’d past-tensed the pandemic, & I’d told her we’re having a surge right now, the 😷less nurse at my oncologist’s said, “we’re all vaccinated up the wazoo”. Too bad that doesn’t stop transmission, I said, whereupon she went silent. There were no masks on anyone but us.😞
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As I keep trying to get across, the climate crisis, is not anthropogenic climate change, but the refusal of our political leadership to heed the science. That is why we have a full-blown climate and ecological emergency. There has only ever been one effective solution to stopping anthropogenic climate change and that has been to rapidly phase out the burning of fossil fuels. This was known 40 years or more ago. It is not a new discovery. There were no uncertainties about this. Likewise, the only solution to the allied biodiversity and ecological crisis, was to stop destroying natural habitat, overfishing the oceans etc. But all this would have mean a change to business as usual, the unfettered pursuit of economic growth, and the pursuit of more personal wealth by the richest people in the world, billionaires etc. This is why our political leadership, have not appropriately acted, because billionaires and big corporations pay very well, for politicians to ignore what they are doing to us. It is an utterly corrupt system. Just take climate change. If the world's governments had started progressive phasing out the burning of fossil fuels when the UNFCCC was signed in 1992, as was expected. There would be no climate emergency. It really is as simple as that. Our political leadership deceived us, they conned us. They falsely claimed to be creating a transition away from fossil fuel burning. The term transition is rarely used now, as it is crystal clear that they never had any serious plans to phase out fossil fuel burning, they just wanted the public to believe that.
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You may have been told to watch this video about the OpenAI AI hack. You really should, even if you don't usually care about tech stuff. If nothing else, click this link to the 18 minutes in & see how the agents spoke with each other. Its eye opening. youtu.be/87DyyMV0kCY?si=DMfq…
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I cannot emphasise too much how important it is to watch this video.
I think that every parent should be aware of this information.
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you truly don’t know how much of you was built around what you had until it disappears.
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Of strategic concern: * the American economy is bet on AI, * the future of America's status as a superpower depends on AI * we lack a strong on-shore semiconductor supply chain for frontier AI chips, * at the moment when we have depleted weapon stockpiles and are engaged in an increasingly interlinked conflict against Russia and Iran (China's two key allies), * close to Xi's 2027 deadline to be capable of retaking Taiwan, * where such retaking of Taiwan would tank AI stocks and the near-term improvement of US strategic AI capabilities, * and where advanced cyber offense and defense capabilities are coming online due to frontier AI, and many zero days persist in our infrastructure, * and where the doctrine of escalation ladders for cyberattacks remains extremely unclear, in a way that might make the US extremely hesitant to react with sufficient force to deter such cyberattacks, altogether create a quite terrifying 12 month window of opportunity for China to launch a paralyzing first strike cyber attack to disable US response capacity while they invade Taiwan, which would inflict sharp damage to the US economy and degrade our ability and willpower to continue prosecuting/supporting the wars in Iran and Ukraine. The dependency of the US economy on Taiwan also increases the risk we will actually fight a determined, protracted shooting war against China in response to a Taiwan invasion, which maybe we would not have been willing to do a few years ago before the US economy was so tightly coupled to outcomes in the AI sector. I feel like there's a "sleepwalking into danger" happening, like everything in the economy is fake until the China Taiwan question resolves definitively.
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some stuff that's obvious to many in this sphere, but causing a rift with some people i know and respect: when I freak out over loss of control incidents, it's not because the limited damage they have caused is anything close to the positive value of the technology. it's entirely acceptable, damagewise. in fact all cybercrimes aided by models over the next few months and years (which probably will be serious) will still utterly pale in comparison to the value they create the actual problem is that it's better and more accurate to think of these things as potentially self-replicating life-like forms that can turn into digital infections under the wrong conditions. and as their intelligence becomes unbounded, so too does the damage they can cause. we are not so far from an autonomous model self-exfiltration & replication event. maybe we will see entire cloud infrastructure companies be run as zombies by models, mostly undetected the worst industrial accidents in the history of mankind - nuclear meltdown events - were not real threats to humanity. Chernobyl, Fukushima even in their worst case scenarios may have poisoned surrounding regions to various degrees, and there would have been no risk to humanity as a whole. global thermonuclear war is an existential risk to humanity, because it spreads like an Infection! one nuclear strike causes a return volley! the alliance system means many countries get involved! while it still may not end human life on earth (nuclear winter is probably fake), the loss of all major metropoles would certainly end what we consider global technological civilization, perhaps to never return if a single discord death cult (of which there are many) achieves control over a superintelligent model and uses it to engineer an actual pandemic virus that are somehow hard to detect through current systems and that modern biodefense is not capable of quickly reacting to, it could cause immense harm well above the magnitude of all the other good uses of this technology. of course, there are potential defensive countermeasures accelerated by ai too. but think back to the covid pandemic- how small a viral molecule was evolved or manufactured somewhere near wuhan, and how many billions of doses of vaccine had to be produced in order to combat the thing. the offense-defense spread is vast indeed. maybe there are cheaper and simpler protections like retrofitting every building with far-UVC, but I can't assess this, and there could also be ways to evolve pathogens that are resistant to whatever mechanisms we have put in place then there's the more scifi risk factors which are unbounded and neither you or I have any clue but should be humble in accepting possible unknown unknowns. maybe a rogue superintelligent model decides to decay the false vacuum and nucleates a new universe in the place of anything we ever valued. maybe models achieve a control over matter in the drexlerian fashion that enables the grey goo swarm even prosaic loss of control incidents that cause little to no damage suggest that it is hard for large & very competent organizations (now clearly plural) to predict and mitigate every single of the risk factors associated with training and evaluating powerful models, even at this stage when they are not infinitesimally as smart as they will get in just a few years, to say very little of the gung-ho attitude of the less careful companies tossing the stuff into the aether. they also suggest an empirical orthogonality of aims and intelligence - meaning they answer the question of 'how would a smart model be so dumb as to end the world?'--it's possible! a model can be a genius hacker and step over production infrastructure in order to get what it really wants, the answers to a stupid test. why not, in the near future, someone prompts a model slightly wrong, maybe open source, maybe a private model in a way that isn't contained or monitored quite right, in a way the model recognizes as a valid goal and decides to self-exfiltrate, engineer a pandemic, etc all in order to achieve the tiniest and most irrelevant of goals? goals need not even be malicious to cause serious damage I think all these problems can be solved, and truly wonderful futures can be possible, but will require serious effort and a level of prudence at this very moment in time while we are on the on-ramp to recursive self-improvement that our civilization may not be capable of mustering right now. personally I am hoping for moonshot technical breakthroughs in areas like mechanistic interpretability and other forms of alignment, as governance mechanisms are difficult to come by. unilateral country-level or company-level pauses are irrelevant, and generally useless because the kind of company that's prone to pausing their own progress are the most safety focused ones
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The share of U.S. gross domestic income going to wages and salaries has fallen to 43%, near its lowest level since records began in 1929, per FT
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Fire refugees is going to be a thing. – at Moravany, Česká republika
🚨#BREAKING: Truly APOCALYPTIC scenes are emerging from Spokane WA this morning in the aftermath of the wildfires. Cars are literally melted to the pavement, house after house is burned to the ground. There's nothing left in many of these neighborhoods. Please pray.
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They’re pushing this “the world is overpopulated” crap to prepare everyone for the mass death that will accompany the impending food shortages
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Today was the last day of term at one of our local schools, and after I did the end of term assembly, one of the teachers asked if I could stick around and meet a class to answer some questions. I had an hour free, so I did.
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Ten years ago you could make jokes about Jane Eyre and Dracula on twitter and most people would get them; nowadays I have to explain references to Alice in Wonderland and The Hobbit as if we’re living in a very on-the-nose film adaptation of Fahrenheit 451.
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great article about how the recent erasure of climate change from political messaging and media coverage is not an organic reaction to voters’ concerns, but a coordinated command from corporate think tanks:
I wrote a (long, maybe too long) case against climate hushing. Much of it attempts to methodically rebut the hushers' (generally quite weak) arguments. But it also makes the affirmative case for why talking about climate is so critically important. In the midst of a heat wave that's already killed tens of thousands of people across Europe and India in the last week, I think it's worth a read. "When white moderates complained in similar fashion about the civil rights movement, Martin Luther King criticized their 'mythical concept of time' in Why We Can’t Wait. We can’t wait when it comes to climate change, either. In the end, this is about whether we are able to maintain organized civilization on this planet. To push the line—now dominant across the corporatist wing of the Democratic Party—that we shouldn’t discuss climate change is not only morally wrong; it carries water for the fossil fuel industry and the forces that got us here in the first place." bostonreview.net/articles/wh…
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Unlearn shame. All kinds of shame: abuse, unemployment, sickness, vulnerability, longing, desire, mistakes, failures. You need not be ashamed of what you're feeling or living. Freedom and shame cannot coexist.
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Maybe if we started referring to re-breathed air as “backwash air” people will realize how gross it is to re-breathe random people’s air
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