@slumbles

Catholic, Husband, Father, Veteran.

Tennessee
Joined March 2023
Catholicism isn’t a spectator sport.
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The Bishop of Rome holds the keys to Kingdom. If you’re not in his realm, you’re outside the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth. Nice self-own.
Replying to @neoavatara
The bishop of Rome hath no jurisdiction in this realm.
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Nah, Satan wants you to sin and separate yourself from God by thinking you can't lose your salvation regardless of your actions. Deny Christ, deny His Church, deny His Sacraments...and you will belong to the devil while thinking you're secure in your salvation.
The devil wants Christians to focus on anything but evangelizing the lost.
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You are all over the place. The Word of God exists with the same authority regardless of whether it is spoken or written. The written Word is nothing more than committing the spoken Word to paper. You admit that people shared the Word of God via oral tradition. It is just as authoritative as the written Word. That is precisely how the Church operated for decades before written Scriptures started being circulated…and even at that point, they were the “memoirs of the Apostles” there to spread the teachings of Christ and supplement what they were actually doing on Sundays…the Mass. You further admit that not everything Jesus or the Apostles said was written down, and yet it was still handed down through the Church, which is consequently the “Pillar and bulwark of the Truth” (not the Bible). The Church alone received the fullness of the Deposit of Faith. Again, you concede that St. Paul was most likely referring to the OT when he mentioned to “not go beyond what is written”. Most likely the OT verses he had already mentioned regarding moral behavior (the purpose of the letter in the first place). Therefore, he cannot be referring to the protestant idea of sola scriptura. There is no burden of proof for the Catholic Church. Sola scriptura is a novel doctrine invented by men in the 16th century. Unless you have proof of it before that, you have nothing (and you don’t). Christ never taught it. Christ never wrote anything that we know of. Christ never commanded scriptures to be handed out. Christ started a Church.
1 Like you pointed out not all scripture was written down by then. Many people couldn't read and scripture were expensive and rare. So sharing God's word by mouth was common. 2 Same as 1. burden of proof that this is beyond what is written is on you.
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Read closer next time...not your fault, common protestant problem. THE OFFICIAL CHARGE WAS HERESY. He corrupted Scripture...the written Word of God...to fit his ideas. He used words of his own choosing to purposely challenge the doctrines of the Church. If you chose to idolize someone who objectively corrupted God's written Word, that's your choice. Who executed him? The secular authorities. Not the Church.
Replying to @slumbles
Try learning history next time before you open your mouth
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This is just wrong, not to mention dumb. Faithful American Catholics don’t care about the race of their Bishops. They care about adherence to the Faith. They care about Orthodoxy. Some of the most popular Bishops are the African Bishops. Not because of their race but because their defend the Faith and promote Orthodoxy. Some of the least popular are Cupich. McElroy. Etc. They’re white but guess what? No one cares because it’s their lack of defending the Faith that we care about. Do better than this trash.
Why are there so few Black bishops in America? “The short answer is racism.” America’s youngest bishop, Robert Boxie (@WashArchdiocese), speaks candidly about a Confederate flag in seminary, tokenism, DEI, what white Catholics often miss ... and why the Church cannot be afraid of hard conversations about race. Full episode in reply.
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Man. Noun. A male who “has the hardest time getting over the fact that Lindsay viciously killed her children.”
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Your faith is clearly based off the interpretations of men. Just not smart men. It's based off your own understanding with no higher authority to tell you that you're wrong due to pride. The Real Presence isn't the same as Transubstantiation. We know. Transubstantiation is the metaphysical explanation of the Real Presence. To say early Church Fathers didn't believe in Transubstantiation is a joke as the term didn't even exist. In all honesty, do you actually understand what Transubstantiation is? It doesn't seem so. -Clement of Alexandria believed in the Real Presence. In the same book you quote he goes on to say, "Eat my flesh, he says, and drink my blood (John 6:53-5). Such is the suitable food which the Lord ministers, and he offers his flesh and pours forth his blood, and nothing is wanting for the children’s growth. O, amazing mystery! We are enjoined to cast off the old and carnal corruption, as also the old nutriment, receiving in exchange another new regimen, that of Christ, receiving him if we can, to hide him within; and that, enshrining the Savior in our souls, we may correct the affections of our flesh." -Origen believed in the Real Presence. "“Formerly, in an obscure way, there was manna for food; now, however, in full view, there is the true food, the flesh of the Word of God, as he himself says: ‘My flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink’ [John 6:55]” -Eusebius of Caesarea - NOT a Church Father. -St. Augustine believed in the Real Presence...and EVERYTHING the Catholic Church taught. -John Scotus Eriugena - writings were condemned by the Church for heretical perversity. -Theodoret of Cyrus believed in the Real Presence. -Berengar of Tours - accused of heresy. I'm unsure what you're even trying to argue and why you'd use the examples you did as they don't further your position in the least.
Romanist florilegium. Ok, one more time for those slower among us: real presence is NOT transubstantiation. Say it again. My faith is based off Scripture, not the interpretations of men, but I can do quotation tennis too: -Clement of Alexandria (c. 150–215). Clement often interpreted Scripture allegorically and described Christ’s flesh and blood spiritually. He was known to treat the Eucharist in symbolic and mystical terms rather than any physical change in the elements. Example: “The Scripture has named wine a mystical symbol of the holy blood.” (The Instructor, Book 2, ch. 2.) Clement’s writings are not memorialist in the later Protestant sense, but they darn sure weren’t transubstantial either. -Origen (c. 184–253). Everyone’s favorite heretic. Example: “For even the nourishing word is able to be called flesh, as also the true meat… and the word becoming flesh says, ‘My flesh is true meat, and my blood is true drink.’ … These things are figures, and therefore they are to be understood spiritually and not carnally.” (His commentary on Matthew 11:14). He was right here. -Eusebius of Caesarea (c. 260–339). Eusebius used symbolic language about the Eucharist and spoke of Christ giving “symbols” of His body and blood. Some Protestants rightly cite him as evidence of a non-literal Eucharistic theology. Transubstantiation is nothing that anyone can pull from his writings. And he’s often considered the father of church history. One commonly referenced passage of his use of symbols comes from his (Demonstratio Evangelica (Proof of the Gospel), Book 1, chapter 10). -Augustine (354–430). He called much in John 6 “figurative” and frequently used sign-language (signum) about sacraments. Ex 1: “If sacraments had not some resemblance to those things of which they are sacraments, they would not be sacraments at all.” (Letter 98, commonly known as Letter to Boniface). Of course, in John 6:35 Jesus tells us exactly what it means to spiritually and metaphorically “eat” him and “drink” him; it is to “come” and to “believe”. biblecia.com/media/4nvy6hx/e…. Augustine called the Eucharist Christ’s body and blood, as we should, but it ain’t. See founders.org/library/chapter…, para 5. Ex 2: Augustine also said: “Why do you prepare your teeth and stomach? Believe, and you have eaten.” (Tractates on the Gospel of John, 25.12). Ex 3: Again from Augustine: “‘Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man’, says the Savior, ‘and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you’. Christ seems to be commanding a shameful crime [the crime of cannibalism]. Therefore it is a symbol, requiring that we should have a share in the Lord‘s suffering, and that we should faithfully remember that his flesh was crucified and wounded for us.” (On Christian Doctrine, book 3, ch. 16). -John Scotus Erigena. (d. 877). Carolingian Renaissance era Irishman. Coined the phrase that the believer eats Christ’s flesh “Mentally not dentally.” He lived in the era where this discussion first rose to any real level of prominence at all. -Theodoret of Cyrus (c. 393–458). Theodoret strongly distinguished the symbols from the reality they signify. Example: “The mystical symbols do not depart from their own nature after the consecration.” (Dialogues (Eranistes), specifically Dialogue II “The Unconfused”). Real presence? Sure, maybe. He was using the table as a metaphor against the Eutychians on the incarnation here, and people have of course interpreted his words differently. Transubstantiation? Negative. -Berengar of Tours (c. 999–1088). Berengar is probably the clearest pre-Reformation figure to reject a substantial change in the elements. He lived in a day when terrible views on the ordinances really begin to germinate in some places. He argued rightly that the bread and wine remain materially what they are and that Christ is present in a more spiritual sense. Ratramnus of Corbie (c. 800-868). The right one. He was on the right side. Out of space.
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You're way off the reservation now. "Church Fathers", just like "Apostolic Fathers" or "Doctors of the Church" are titles referring to SPECIFIC individuals. They aren't for you to define. They were defined millennia ago and you weren't part of the decision. This is the problem with protestants. You want words to mean what YOU think they should mean instead of what they ACTUALLY mean.
Yes, Words DO matter. “Apostle” doesn’t somehow disqualify someone from being a father of the Church. Paul explicitly told the Corinthians, “in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel” (1 Cor. 4:15).
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If you read Romans and come out a “Christian Zionist” then you need to work on your literacy and reading comprehension. In the meantime, wear a helmet and don’t play with sharp objects.
A Christian Zionist is a Christian who has read and understands the book of Romans and believes Israel had a right to exist. Saying you aren’t one is not the flex you think it is lol.
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No, God most certainly did not build His Church through those men. That would entail divorcing His Bride and exchanging her for a harlot which is contrary to Christ.
Excuse me? Did God not love those men? Did God not build his church through such men? Do you not know our history? Do you not know about the great awakening? Do you not know about the American Revolution? God has been using Calvinists for His glory for a very long time.
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“The correct interpretation” according to what authority?!? How did you come to this conclusion?
Reformed theology doesn’t supersede Scripture. It is the correct interpretation of Scripture. In other words, the Westminster Confession accurately summarizes Biblical truth.
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Except it's not. Well, the 'gospel of Calvin' perhaps.
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Why would he need to read extra-Biblical documents from men who aren't Apostles? Sola Scriptura not enough?!?
Replying to @DineshDSouza
Dinesh, you seem like a nice guy. I appreciate your political commentary. But you have a caricatured understanding of the doctrine of election. It is clear you have not really studied this through. If you would like to rightly understand it, please reach out to me and/or read Chosen By God by RC Sproul.
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Correction: America is healing.
Replying to @JDVance
The Vice President is making fat jokes. That's how far America has fallen.
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Patrick claims his identity as a Bible Scholar who runs a ministry that markets paid Bible courses, study materials, and apologetics content as its own teaching ecosystem. But when you compare the pages side-by-side with older sources, the same wording, structure, order, typos, course descriptions, and reading plans start showing up. This is a long 🧵with plenty of receipts below. But I encourage we all follow his advice this time and research it for ourselves. You can decide for yourself. 🧵
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you "idolatry".
The King James Bible is Jesus.
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No, the “Bible” is not Jesus. I recognize that many conflate (either by ignorance or error or both) the “LOGOS”/Precarnate Second Person of the Trinity referenced in John 1 with the Bible itself (post- and pre-Incarnation) but this isn’t even a layman’s error. The First Chapter of Saint John the Revelator’s Gospel is one of the Early Revelations speaking to Trinitarian Theology that addresses, most importantly, that the Second Person of the Trinity is Divine, Eternal, of one substance with the Father, and was “operative” long before His Incarnation in the Blessed Virgin Mary. This is the point. By contrast however Scripture is clear that (1) Jesus is Truly Present the Eucharist and that (2) His Church is, quite literally, His Mystical Body. (1) Jesus Christ’s Real Presence in the Eucharist. (A) John 6 “The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat?  54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.  For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.  He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.  As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.  This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.” (B) Matt 26:26 “Take, eat; this is my body” (C) Mark 14:22-24 “this is my body . . . This is my blood of the covenant.” (D) Luke 22.19-20 “This is my body which is given for you . . . This chalice . . . is the new covenant in my blood.” (E) Also See Acts 2:42 Acts 20:7 Luke 24:13-35 1 Corinthians 10:21 1 Corinthians 11:27 1 Corinthians 11:29 (2) The One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is the Body of Christ. Acts 9:31 The church throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria was at peace. It was being built up and walked in the fear of the Lord, and with the consolation of the holy Spirit it grew in numbers (Ekklesia Kata Holos). Acts 9:4-5 (Paul persecuted Christ by persecuting the Church). Romans 12:4-5 “we have many members . . . are one Body in Christ.” 1 Corinthians 12:12 (One body, many parts). 1 Corinthians 12:27 “Now you are the Body of Christ and individually members of it.” Ephesians 1:22-23 “for the Church, which is His Body.” Ephesians 4:1-16 (Unity in the Body) Also see: ⁃Ephesians 2:11-22, ⁃Ephesians 3:4-6 ⁃Ephesians 5:23-32 ⁃Colossians 1:18-24 #CatholicX #CatholicTwitter #RealPresence
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What does it say about @WesleyLHuff when he thinks that just because a Pope appoints a King, that STARTS the Catholic Church ? Doesn't that mean that Wes has a secular world view compared to the Bible which has Fatherly Stewards (popes) going back ~3000 years, in SERVICE to God's Kingdom : * Isaiah 22 shows the OFFICE of "Fatherly Steward" (pope) SERVING the King, not appointing Kings. * Matthew 16:18-19 shows the God appointing Saint Peter into the same Fatherly Steward OFFICE to bind and loose. * Luke 22:32 shows the gift of infallible discernment given singularly to Peter to "strengthen the brethren". * Acts 15 shows Saint Peter demonstrating this authority to INFALLIBLY settle the question of Circumcision. Hundreds of historical references show Authoritative Apostolic Succession since 33 A.D. : 1 Timothy 4:14 (laying of hands), 1 Timothy 5:22, 2nd Timothy 2:2, 2nd Thessalonians 2:15, Matthew 16:18-19, Matthew 10:40, Ephesians 4:4-14, Ephesians 2:20 "built UPON THE FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone Evidenced in every century : Ignatius 108 A.D. disciple of John the Apostle "See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is administered either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude of the people also be; even as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." —Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Ch 8 earlychristianwritings.com/t… Irenaeus 180 A.D. (learned from Polycarp, disciple of John the Apostle ) “We point out here the SUCCESSIONS of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient Church known to all, founded and organized at ROME by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that Church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that Church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition.” - Against Heresies Book 3, Chapter 3, p2 : earlychristianwritings.com/t…
Did a fourth-century church council invent Christianity as we know it? It's one of the most popular claims made by skeptics today — that the divinity of Jesus and the contents of the Bible weren't ancient convictions, but later inventions, decided by committee at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. In this the 3rd episode of Can I Trust the Bible?, Wes and Andy head to Turkey and Italy, going straight to the source to find out whether there's any truth to these claims. Did the Council of Nicaea really vote on the Bible, or invent Christ's divinity? The answers might surprise you. Join us on this next adventure as we dig into one of church history's most misunderstood moments, separating myth from fact, and following the evidence where it leads. youtu.be/lpsKNd8tqHI?si=jKA0…
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How are we judged, Frank? Do you not read Scripture? For the Son of man is to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay every man for what he has done. -Matthew 16:27 For he will render to every man according to his works. -Romans 2:6 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive good or evil, according to what he has done in the body. -2 Corinthians 5:10 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Also another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, by what they had done.  And the sea gave up the dead in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead in them, and all were judged by what they had done. -Revelation 20:12-13 And faithfulness is Yours, Lord, For You reward a person according to his work. -Psalm 62:12 Faithfulness, not mere belief. Obedience, not mere intellectual assent.
Many people in the pews of the Catholic church think the way to heaven is through works. Why is that?
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