Joe Rogan is in shock as former United States Air Force intelligence officer David Grusch reveals that U.S. personnel was killed by a living “REPTILIAN” being after a UFO crash: ROGAN: “Why did they shoot at it? Why not just ask it to have his homies pick him up?” GRUSCH: “Because it was killing people.” CONTEXT: Grusch himself says this account is secondhand. He is not claiming that he personally stood at a crash site, saw living reptilian beings or witnessed U.S. personnel fighting them. But what makes this clip particularly interesting is how much further it goes than what Grusch previously told Congress. In July 2023, Grusch testified under oath before the House Oversight Committee about alleged UAP crash-retrieval programs. When Rep. Nancy Mace asked whether recovered craft had contained bodies, Grusch said: “Biologics came with some of these recoveries.” Asked whether they were human or nonhuman, he replied: “Nonhuman.” But he immediately clarified where that conclusion came from: it was “the assessment of people with direct knowledge on the program” whom he had interviewed. That public congressional testimony never identified those alleged beings as reptiles. It never publicly described a firefight. And it never publicly claimed American personnel had been killed by living beings recovered from a crash. So this new story is a much more specific allegation than the famous “nonhuman biologics” testimony that made headlines in 2023. There’s another important distinction: The 2023 statements were made in a congressional hearing under oath. This podcast conversation is not sworn testimony. That doesn’t tell us whether the new claim is true or false. It tells us the evidentiary status is different. And publicly available government investigations still do not corroborate Grusch’s underlying crash-retrieval claims. The Pentagon’s All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office said in its historical review that it found no empirical evidence that the U.S. government or private companies had been reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology, and no U.S. investigation it reviewed had confirmed a UAP as extraterrestrial technology. NASA’s current public position is similarly blunt: it says it has found no credible evidence of extraterrestrial life and no evidence that UAP are extraterrestrial in origin. That does not prove Grusch’s story is impossible. It means the public currently has no independently verifiable evidence showing that: a crashed craft contained living reptilian beings, those beings attacked U.S. personnel, or American personnel killed them. And that creates the giant unresolved tension in Grusch’s entire story. He has a real intelligence background. IMPORTANT NOTES: Congress officially identifies him as a former National Reconnaissance Office representative to the UAP Task Force. He has interviewed people he says possessed direct knowledge. He previously put major parts of his broader UAP allegations into sworn congressional testimony. But the most sensational details still depend overwhelmingly on testimony from unnamed sources and evidence that has not been made public.