Founder @Saffron π | Building DeFi fixed yield | Research focused | Ex pro-gamer
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Replying to @nunyahbizzzz @Saffron
Have you tried the beta?
Also here's a non-exhaustive list of things we are building
Short thread on building applications with @Saffron: because it's such a powerful primitive, we enable builders to create new DeFi products. Here are some examples.
* Yield swap / leverage: Pendle YT for any Uniswap LP.
* Onchain liquidity incentives: Saffron can increase onchain liquidity for existing tokens, newly launched tokens, and tokens approaching IDO.
* Launchpad migration and price discovery mechanisms: For permissionless launchpads like @letscashfun, @Pumpfun, and others.
* Single staking: Transforming DEX yield into staking yield for any token. This is achieved by longing an asset using future yield as non-liquidatable leverage.
* LP hedging / delta neutral USD yield: most of my NVDA LP tweets are about this. See below for a very basic example of earning delta neutral USD yield with Saffron.
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psykeeper π retweeted
Our first volatile pair on @RobinhoodCrypto is live, pairing frxUSD with SFI from @Saffron.
Saffron is a fixed-yield layer on Uniswap liquidity. Its token, Spice (SFI), governs the protocol.
Now live on @fablesfi.
Get started: fables.fi/markets/sfi-frxusd
A new partner market π§ββοΈ
SFI / frxUSD is now live, with $500 in weekly partner rewards from @Saffron and @fraxfinance, plus Creator Fee Rewards and Points.
Check it out π fables.fi/markets/sfi-frxusd
A new partner market π§ββοΈ
SFI / frxUSD is now live, with $500 in weekly partner rewards from @Saffron and @fraxfinance, plus Creator Fee Rewards and Points.
Check it out π fables.fi/markets/sfi-frxusd
Replying to @saintniko
In general yes
For entities (individuals and institutions) with a security>feature set mandate, v3 is really the only choice, even including competitors' products
Builders should be looking in both places right now to match the mandate of their end user
Replying to @hqmank
I've been using this for a few weeks now, and I would say it's undeniably better, but to a very small degree. The core issue of reading AI output is how often the AI writes lengthy nonsensical vague strings, but in those cases this doesn't help at all. Also I have a feeling this slowed down my output by 50%+ in many cases, although I haven't tested this empirically.
I still use it from time to time if I don't have a time-sensitive task on that agent's thread running, but in most cases I prefer a faster response to slightly more readable text.
Today it came up in conversation that the original liquidity mining algorithm that minted all $SFI tokens proportionally to users was first written on a whiteboard by me in a dream.
It was such a realistic dream that I hadn't realized it wasn't real life. The next day, I was speaking with a co-worker about the equation, as if he should remember it.
It was only when he asked me what I was talking about that I realized it was a dream all along.
We wrote the code and shipped it to mainnet.
Users deposited to one of three tranches which supplied their DAI to Compound in early Saffron epochs. SFI/ETH LP was also an option, as well as some more exotic pairs later on.
The original motivation leading up to this lifelike dream came from an idea that if I could lucid dream every night, then I could work more while sleeping, increasing efficiency by 30%.
I've started to dream about DeFi primitives again. I think there is still a lot of opportunity to build instruments that have never existed before.
Never stop dreaming.
πͺLast week on Hookr.
π New incoming integrations:
@Saffron brings fixed-yield vaults to Hookr pools, so LPs can lock in a fixed return.
@ZEALZdotfun is opening a zZEC pool with a low base fee and LP rewards.
rhook by @a_seven_life replays a pool's real history with and without a rule, so you can see what a rule would have done.
@hooddomains puts .hood names on Hookr creators and pools.
@openaicu, from the Long ecosystem, will launch its tokens on Hookr with a custom rule.
@longbowlend, a lending protocol on Robinhood Chain, plugging in idle capital for borrowing and using Hookr pools for liquidations / collateral swaps.
@pumpPill brings launch protection: Dev-Drip escrows creator tokens and releases them slowly, and Sniper Rebate taxes early sells to pay the buyers who held.
VolaDelta brings a lucky draw where swap fees pay out to buyers who held.
ποΈ More than 95% of trades on Hookr pools happen outside hookr.fun
π The robinhood:0x18e674231a58c239dc7daedcffe15ec3a24cff5c page now shows the aggregators that route it.
πHookrScan update: Paste a Uniswap v4 hook from Robinhood Chain, Base, Unichain, Ethereum, Arbitrum or OP Mainnet and it shows every permission it enables right on the hook and gives it a Hook Score. On Robinhood Chain it also finds every pool the hook is on. Every report now has its own share link and a score card for X and Telegram.
β½οΈ The next Hookr update cuts gas per swap and per launch roughly in half.
π€ Special mention to the @whatthehookv4 team. They helped us find a lot of these gas savings and we have been working closely with them on King of the Hill: each round, the top buyer wins a bonus paid from arb recapture.
Replying to @Scipioborges69 @Saffron
This one is on RH chain, but in general the app is matching-based, meaning you create a vault and match it with a yield buyer
Opportunities are market-based, meaning the yield onchain defines how much upfront yield you can get
Replying to @Scipioborges69 @Saffron
Someone filled the order
Anyone can create any vault
beta.saffron.finance/networkβ¦
Worried about options -ve?
Sell your future yield to fund the premiums
Saffron
I see this point get brought up a ton and it's actually very valid at first glance so I want to educate everyone, so strap in for a longer post.
When you buy or sell options on @DeriveXYZ, Deribit, Paradex, wherever, you're not buying or selling to those platforms, you're trading with and against these "hoe ass market makers", to which we'll shorten to hoe ass mm's.
The platforms themselves are just aggregators for hoe ass mm desks to give you quotes. Most of the same hoe ass mm's are on many or all the different platforms.
Let's use $85,000 $BTC calls for Oct9 as an example.
If you want to go buy a couple calls, you can go hit the resting liquidity in the order book and get very close pricing to what is called "mark".
If you look in the order book, you'll see there's bids at $1100, "mark" at $1150, and asks at $1200.
Mark pricing is the theoretical price of the option based on Black-Scholes pricing (hoe ass mm math blah blah blah), but it is not necessarily the mid price of what market participants price the option at.
Since $BTC is puking right now, hoe ass mm's might be "axed" in the direction to buy $BTC exposure, so they'll give more attractive pricing to sell $BTC and charge more to buy it from them. Different desks may be axed in different directions, but generally, pricing is based on similar formulas and volatility levels.
If you want to buy a few hundred $BTC calls instead of just a few, you'll need to go use RFQ instead, otherwise you risk moving the market (slippage) too much yourself, or only executing on one leg of a structure you intended to be multi-leg. When you RFQ, the hoe ass mm is now taking on that slippage because you're essentially slamming a market order. So they widen out their quotes to take this into account.
It's important to remember that hoe ass mm's are not just hoe ass mm's, they are also pussy ass mm's, and they aim to be what's called "delta neutral". This means they generally want to just make money by charging spreads and not actually holding the directional exposure being on the other side of these calls would give them. 100 of these $85k calls gives me ~35 $BTC worth of exposure right now, which is exposure they'd need to hedge.
As this $85,000 call gets closer to being in the money (π), the exposure I get from these calls keeps going up, and they have to keep buying more $BTC at higher and higher prices to remain delta neutral. And if $BTC starts to go down again, they'd sell at lower prices. They are quite literally forced to buy high and sell low in this case. On top of that they are paying fees, potentially disadvantageous funding rates, compute/infrastructure, and just inherently have expenses and a desire to at least earn more than a risk free rate of call it 10%, otherwise why go through the trouble.
If this sounds familiar, this is essentially impermanent loss, the very issue passive LPs face for on chain liquidity providing, and the very reason you pay them fees to passively be quote against as price moves against them. Most LPs do not get paid enough though, and the majority are actually losing money relative to impermanent loss. This is actually enormously bullish for on chain options, but that's another post.
95% of the time when you buy any option in any situation, whether on Derive, Deribit, or Robinhood, you are in negative PNL at first. Some people might point out that if you're always executing at a small loss, aren't options -ve?
Options pricing may be -ve at that exact moment in time on the trade, but trading them can still be extremely +ve in the context of your portfolio construction and what it allows you to do. You can't replicate the convexity, flexibility or path independence that options give you via perps, and I'm willing to pay a little extra for those features.
A good analogy is that when you sit down at a poker table in a casino, they charge what's called "rake", call it $5 per hand. Assuming a normal distribution of cards and equally skilled players, playing poker in the casino is -ve because of this rake. But in reality, it can be extremely profitable to play poker in a casino if you think you have edge over the other players, and the casino is just charging you for access to these braindead idiots, certainty that you'll get paid and generally not shot, one free water bottle per sometimes etc.
I'm not an options market maker and I promise you nobody has paid more of this theoretical "rake" to these hoe ass mm's than I have. I would not be surprised if I've paid over $1m in spreads YTD. But I've also made 8 figure PNL by trading against these hoe ass mm.
For some of you as well, no offense, but it's kinda a skill issue. If you slam some 0DTE options and then want to sell out of them an hour later rather than hedge via perps, you're probably just doing it wrong. Spreads should factor much more into your trade decision making process in crypto options than in TradFi options, which are orders of magnitude more liquid.
This isn't to say that spreads can't or shouldn't improve, and it's actually part of my bull case for @DeriveXYZ. The dream scenario for a hoe ass mm is what's called "two way flow". This means they have a buyer for these calls and a seller, and they can instantly pair them up, not need to pay for hedging, and just capture that bid ask spread.
But if I'm not a pussy ass mm and I actually just want those naked calls, and there's a π³οΈβππ» somewhere out there who also just wants to sell those calls, we can meet in the middle at mark and both be happy that we're executing at the theoretical fair value, while cutting out the hoe ass mm.
This will make RFQ pricing much closer to order book pricing, and we'll eventually have tons of people willing to take both sides of the bet peer to peer.
Hoe ass mm's aren't evil, and if they are, they are a necessary evil for now. What @DeriveXYZ is building will eventually allow for thousands of market participants to participate in better price discovery and give lower spreads than Deribit ever could.
That said, bad spreads are bad for business for everyone. If options aren't being traded because hoe ass mm's are getting greedy, it's bad for the trader, the exchange, and the greedy hoe ass mm.
People are right to point out that big spreads are bad, but you also need to contextualize them. Are they bad relative to the rest of the industry? Very likely not. Derive very frequently has some of the best pricing available (trust me, I check). Might they be too bad to take that trade though? Sure, all the time. It's a quirk of options, especially on alts, that sometimes you'll see a great trade in theory, and when you go ask for a quote, the hoe ass mm is charging bad spreads because they also think it's a good trade and don't want to sell it to you. Same concept as why plumbers get to charge you $10k to fix your overflowing toliet at 2am; they'll give you a price, it just won't be a good one.
TLDR: Thank you for coming to my TED talk, hoe ass mm's charging wide spreads is bad but part of the game, the only way to improve is by building exactly what @DeriveXYZ is building, options volume overall should dramatically increase as spreads tighten, and spreads will tighten as volume/demand increases.
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