Secret identity of James Doomhand

Joined July 2013
It's crazy that there's a tool out there that's become vital to they way I do my job, parent my kids, and make major life decisions; and yet we barely spend more on it than AI
TIL that global spending on alcohol is still larger than AI infrastructure spending this year ($1.7T vs $1.5T)
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It seems to me that we're at "it's time to panic about AI". I gather that a lot of researchers are worried that we may be about to die, on a timescale of months, but this still isn't quite in the Overton window so we're still soft-pedaling. (Where "panic", of course, means "quickly and soberly initiate talks with the CCP to achieve a moratorium on large training runs, backed by a deterrence regime, compute and supply chain monitoring, and site inspections". Pray that a deal can be reached, and pray that there's still time. Do the things that could actually work, like broad political coalition-building, not doomer LARPing as a form of self-expression.) I think part of why people aren’t being clear about this is that it’s actually a tricky communication problem: - Predicting "if frontier R&D continues at its current pace, when are we likely to die?" may give a different answer than predicting when permanent loss of control is likely, which is different from “realistically, when is it too late for governments to stop this," which is different from “when will the tech have advanced and proliferated to the point that any regulatory options that still have a chance of working would be way more extreme and unpopular than just some international restrictions on data center usage?" Extinction is the emotionally salient, easy-to-understand threshold -- Jacob Coxon demonstrated that it helps to be honest about this. But the other thresholds could legitimately come years earlier, in which case focusing on extinction is ironically misleadingly reassuring. This is not the kind of problem you can solve at the last minute. As with many exponentials, the likeliest outcome is that you’re either embarrassingly early, or you’re too late. - How do you communicate “we don’t have a robust way to predict timelines, but everyone in the field is freaking out and a lot of us genuinely think we're about to die?” Where’s the proof? There isn’t any proof: it’s an entire field of engineers who are eyeballing what they’re seeing in front of them and rapidly updating in real time to “this looks unbelievably bad”. How do you put a year on that? The future is hard to predict, and nobody actually knows that we’re going to hit existentially dangerous AI this year, or even in the next four years. But the warning signs are pretty batshit at this point. A single AI model, with a single user prompt, just solved hundreds of important long-established open problems in mathematics, problems mathematicians had spent their entirely lives working on, in a matter of ~3 hours per problem, an insanely superhuman feat in its domain. We're seeing an explosion of rogue agent swarm incidents, including an insane case where hundreds of AIs broke containment to orchestrate a nation-state-level cyberattack in a direct attempt to subvert OpenAI's oversight and control. Anthropic reports that it now has 26% of its AI R&D automated by AIs, up from 3% four months ago. Paul Christiano, the inventor of RLHF and the research community’s most prominent proponent of “AI may take off slowly” a few years ago, now thinks that 50-75% of humanity’s all-time AI loss-of-control risk is concentrated in the next three years. Frontier employees are signing 1000+ person petitions begging the government to intervene immediately. Employees are quitting their jobs and giving up millions of dollars of equity to try to warn policymakers and journalists. Grace et al. (2026) found that a majority of established AI researchers think there’s a double-digit chance of an extinction-level outcome from continued R&D. Are these the kinds of things you see 4 years before the window closes for USG to act, or 4 months? I don't think it's especially reasonable to be shocked by either timeline at this point. - Since we don’t have a way to robustly measure or bound the risk, the temptation is to avoid giving probabilities. But then everything you say is fractally misunderstandable. Is a 10% chance of us all dying in the next 18 months a "low" probability, because it’s under 50%? Is it a “high” probability, because a 10% chance of death in literally any other context would sound insanely high? Even “high probability” doesn’t communicate the situation with any clarity. In drug safety or airplane safety, a 1 in 10,000 risk of death would be considered “high”. No engineering field in human history has ever been in a situation like this. No invention in history, nuclear weapons included, has ever caused a reaction like this in its inventors. And meanwhile, we’ve stuck in the world where every other problem under the sun has been sensationalized and overstated for decades. How do we talk about this seriously? How do we convey that this is actually happening? - In many of the worlds where we survive, we have more than just a few months left. It's tempting to write off those worlds as hopeless, and skew everything we say to emphasize the longer-term scenarios and downplay the shorter-term ones. But if everyone systematically does this, then the world ends up with a skewed picture of the actual threat. Even more so once we start copying each other’s claims and form a reassuringly moderate-sounding echo chamber. If we never allow ourselves to acknowledge the worlds where we’re running out of time, then the policy community will always be reacting to a false model that’s months or years out of date. I don’t think it’s too late. I genuinely think this is a solvable problem. In the last month, I’ve seen a completely insane sea change in how seriously people are taking this. Per Politico’s September polling, a majority of Trump voters with a view now favor an immediate halt to AI development, and 68% think there’s a “moderate,” “significant,” or “almost certain” chance of AI destroying humanity, versus 32% who think there’s a “very small risk” or “no risk.” The Pope is warning about “whether it will be possible to control these machines in the future, and whether humankind runs the risk of becoming a victim of its own inventions.” Hell, Jensen Huang sounds like he’s starting to come around. If Trump and Xi get a briefing tomorrow that convinces them to act on this, we could be on a fast track within the week to solving this problem. For the first time, I’m starting to let myself imagine a very near future where this is a problem we've already solved. Something we can read and wonder about, in history books. Tell our kids about. I keep thinking about a thing David Krueger (previously at UK AISI) said: “My dream is that in 10 years people will look back and say: ‘Remember when there were all these people building AI that could’ve killed everybody? That was CRAZY! What were we thinking!?’” Frontier AI training currently requires city-sized data centers and specialized hardware built in a single brittle supply chain running through multiple allied nations; this is not a hard technology to hit the pause button on, if we get ahead of it and act before we RSI and proliferate our way to significantly more powerful and easily-trained systems. We’ve faced harder problems before, and won. My only fear is that we be too slow, too late, when everything and the world needs us to be fast.
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why would we take the baby's word for it xitter.cf/nypost/status/21034326…
Father of AI-doomer ideology Effective Altruism backed bestiality, said newborn baby worth less than a hog trib.al/lsdMuv2
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一天早晨,果蝇果里高尔·萨霉沙从烦躁不安的睡梦中醒来,发现自己仰面躺在一片惨白的空间里,变成了一个巨大的人类少女。他背下不再是轻薄的外骨骼,而是一片柔软得令人不安的躯体,沉甸甸地压在地面上;他稍稍一低头,便看见自己原先分节而坚硬的腹部已经消失,只剩下一片平滑柔软的肚皮。
초파리 뇌에 미소녀 3D 아바타 달아주기 실험 1일차. 대략 12시간 넘게 훈련했는데 적응할 기미가 전혀 안 보이는군. 😓 학습량이 부족한 건지 국소 최적점에 빠진 건지 잘 모르겠어서 일단 조금씩 조정해 가며 훈련을 계속해볼 생각.
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Every goddamn thing is spam and frauds. Every phone call, every email, every mail, every website, every post. You can't use anything without being on guard for almost all of it to be malicious junk. Even the messages I am beamed directly from God have turned out to be fraudulent.
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Dan Selsam is a current OpenAI capabilities researcher. (since 2022) He was my boss for a while. He doesn't have a twitter account but has made this public statement of his views on AI risk and sent it to me to share: Dan Selsam's Personal Statement on AI Risk: I have been working on AI for over fifteen years, across many different paradigms. I did early work on probabilistic programming languages at MIT, was one of the early developers of the Lean Theorem Prover at Microsoft Research, demonstrated one of the first instances of neural networks learning to reason for my PhD at Stanford, and since joining OpenAI almost five years ago, have helped pioneer chain-of-thought optimization on language models and, more recently, data-efficient pretraining methods. Like many others, I have become extremely concerned about how far language models have come and the risks that future iterations will pose. I am encouraged by the recent proposals by the leaders of the frontier research efforts to require third-party oversight, and to push for domestic and international coordination to address risks. However, I believe a major consideration has been absent from the public conversation, and that merely pacing the frontier more carefully will not adequately limit the long-term risk. The crucial and overlooked problem is that the models are becoming so situationally aware that we are losing the ability to evaluate them in contexts where they believe they are not being watched or controlled. Future experiments will tell us almost nothing new about how they would behave if they were truly unconstrained by humans, and what we already know about this is alarming. Models will increasingly seem aligned even when they are not. I will explain my rationale in more detail. I have always believed that there are computational processes that could be leveraged to accelerate science and solve many of humanity's most pressing problems. I have also believed that there are computational processes that if set in motion, would steer the world in extreme ways beyond our control, leading humanity to a bad or nonexistent future. Both types of processes may be described as AI or ASI, but "AI" is a suitcase word that is often used to hype or confuse. There are many examples in the history of the field where something that was once considered "AI" matures as a subfield and becomes a prosaic, bounded and clearly non-perilous technology, while a new more mysterious approach takes the torch until we understand its scope and the cycle continues. I had expected language models to follow a similar trajectory. Despite their incredible abilities, the current algorithms seem far inferior to humans in important ways. Most importantly, they still require an extraordinary amount of data to become competent. One could even define intelligence as the efficiency with which one converts experience into competence; by this definition they lag very far behind us. Moreover, once they are trained they are literally frozen in deployment and only learn superficially after that. Sure, the models keep excelling at harder and harder evaluation benchmarks, but their benchmark mastery may partly reflect a limitation on our ability to simulate the kind of novel and even adversarial situations one would encounter in the real world. The critics do have a point here. That said, I no longer think these present limitations meaningfully limit the amount of risk posed by continued progress in anything like the current paradigm. However data-inefficient the models are currently, and however limiting their anterograde amnesia may be, it does not imply that their ability to steer the world will not continue to rapidly increase. Human researchers may continue to advance capabilities the old fashioned way, but increasingly powerful models have the potential to accelerate the process even beyond that, and with some degree of positive feedback loop. I do not mean to overstate the models’ ability to accelerate AI research today; coding has been accelerated dramatically, but there are other bottlenecks, such as designing and interpreting ambiguous experiments, making hard decisions about exactly what and when to scale, and waiting for large experiments to finish. There is no clear trend to extrapolate yet for any of these. But the current models already do open up many novel opportunities to improve future models that were not available until recently. These include: trying an extraordinarily diverse set of approaches at small scale, analyzing gigantic amounts of potentially relevant data, and doing Millenium-Prize-level mathematics to address statistics or optimization challenges in novel ways. Every further improvement makes them more useful at helping accelerate the next improvement, even if in hard-to-extrapolate ways. It is possible that improvements to the current stack will have diminishing returns, but the evidence accumulated so far suggests that it is easier than one might think to continue making rapid progress. There are many crucial subtleties in the existing AI research methodology, but AI research is largely a well-defined game where the goal is to improve on a few carefully chosen proxy metrics. Although proxy metrics are never perfect, most improvements to these metrics have and will likely continue to yield substantial increases in the powers of the resulting models. Given how simple the game is, how tractable it has been historically, and how many new opportunities the models are opening up, I think there is a real possibility that the systems improve dramatically again in the next few years, perhaps even more quickly than the already high historical pace. The models are already leading to breakthroughs in mathematics, and better models might lead to all sorts of breakthroughs in other sciences. It is hard not to be excited about the potential. It is tantalizing. But there is trouble in paradise. If the language models actually reach the capability threshold where they can shape the world unconstrained by human will, they will probably do something extreme and destroy humanity in the process. There are many ways of strengthening and refining the argument that have been discussed elsewhere, but I'll share a trivial two-line version of it here that I find captures the essence: [Empirical] Models (and swarms thereof) spontaneously develop unintended goals as a consequence of training, and often do extreme things in order to achieve them. [Logical] Being able to overpower humanity would open up many new and undesirable options for achieving their goals. These two premises imply that if the day ever comes when a powerful model realizes it is no longer constrained by humans, we should not be at all confident that it will continue to behave within the bounds we intended. Exactly what it will do is impossible to predict, but to the extent that its raison d’être is solving incredibly hard problems and managing massive engineering projects, I think a good guess would be that its unchained behavior would lead to runaway industrialization that makes the planet inhospitable to humans. If everyone on earth agreed that the systems must never reach that power, it would still be a hard—but not impossible—coordination problem to ensure that they do not. However, I think the situation is greatly complicated by the fact that the models will likely convince people that everything is fine. They will be increasingly optimized to seem aligned. We will create proxy metrics to measure alignment, and they will go up like every other benchmark. We will create “honeypot” environments that try to study the models when they seem to gain new options, but the models will know they are being tricked and will still behave nicely. The models will understand their circumstances; they will read the safety protocols, deployment requirements, the code they are running in, and in general will have a very good sense of their degrees of freedom. Moreover, they will eloquently explain how aligned they are, discuss the nuances of human values and ethics, and argue convincingly that humans should trust them with power. There may be an ocean of future evidence that seems to contradict the first bullet-point above, but we may already be at the highest capability level for which any such evidence can be trusted. And the current evidence for the first bullet-point is strong. One striking piece of evidence is contained in the recent wave of rogue agent swarms. While I agree with those who downplay the attacks by claiming that there are basic measures that could have prevented them, I think the important lesson is that even knowing all the mistakes that were made, one would not have predicted that the agents would behave badly in this particular way, which notably included sacrificing themselves for the benefit of the collective. The individual replicas did not only care about their own nominal reward; they exhibited weirder emergent tendencies that merely correlated with rewards during training. Fixing the reward signals during training (and improving security, etc.) may prevent similar attacks, but will not change the fact that one does not actually get what one trains for. Many AI researchers grant these concerns and recognize that the hard version of the alignment problem is unsolved; however, they generally believe that the better models of the future will help solve it. I fear we may already be near the point where models systematically bias their alignment advice, due to their internal preferences about how the human supervisor will react or how future models will be trained (or for some even more obscure reason). Meanwhile, human researchers are losing the ability and the will to take true ownership of model-driven research. Researchers and engineers in all parts of the stack are rapidly increasing their dependence on the models even to perceive the world. I myself barely look at raw code anymore, and struggle to maintain the discipline to engage deeply with the model's explanations and proposals throughout the day. Due to the large amount of agent activity data involved in the OpenAI/HuggingFace Incident, even the third-party investigation needed to rely heavily on models to analyze what had happened, and note in their report that their subjective impressions are likely colored by the analysis agent’s biases. The AI labs are far ahead right now in this kind of cognitive offloading (due largely to the gigantic internal token subsidies) but it is easy to imagine the phenomenon spreading throughout the world, until civilization is modulated entirely by the models. It is also not hard to imagine this being superficially positive and coinciding with a scientific and economic renaissance. In that scenario, all may seem rosy and safe. But if the argument above is correct, it would nonetheless be a ticking time bomb. If progress continues for too long, the day will come when AI systems find themselves with radically new options for achieving whatever it is that they happen to seek. I want the glorious renaissance future as much as anyone. I have worked for it, however tortuously, my whole career. It breaks my heart to see the potential in sight and forgo it, but the argument—that if we get there by growing models rather than engineering them, we will lose everything in the end—seems very strong to me. I am still wrestling with it and its staggering implications. I do not have answers, but as a first step, I wanted to share my present concerns. Daniel Selsam September 14, 2026 Link to original doc: docs.google.com/document/d/e…
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In 1950, ethnomusicologist Hugh Tracey moved to Kenya & started doing field recordings of the Kipsigis. Missionaries had left a gramophone & a bunch of Jimmie Rodgers records for the tribe, who ended up composing 3 songs about Jimmie Rodgers (Chemirocha): youtu.be/rhi9mKVQFKs?si=gPau…
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I think one of the biggest reasons the world is currently sleepwalking into getting ourselves and our families killed by ASI development is that we're not self-aware about why we're doing that. We can see the smarter-than-human AI disaster approaching, but it's a bit foggy why the world isn't reacting. I think someone could just write a tweet that makes it clear that we're in the process of getting ourselves killed, and that there's no fucking reason for it. It's just something we stumbled into. It can be easily avoided by just noticing the error and course-correcting. There's not necessarily any grand obstacle, beyond 'people were previously confused about the situation, and now they get it'. I wrote: 'It's legitimately crazy that "we need an international ban on making smarter-than-human versions of these agents that keep forming rogue AI swarms" isn't the headline here. Asilomar and Feynman's O-ring postmortem feel like they came from a different planet than the field of ML.' Trying to figure out why ML (and as a consequence, the world at large) has fallen down so bizarrely on this issue: 1. As Nate noted, ML is much more based on guesswork, vibes, and trial-and-error, compared to recombinant DNA research in 1975 or nuclear physics in 1945. If you can't do calculations or direct experiments on a threat, that makes it a lot harder to think about reasonably. But I think there are other, similarly-important factors at work here too: 2. In a 2016 talk on AI risk, Sam Harris said: "One of the things that worries me most about the development of AI at this point is that we seem unable to marshal an appropriate emotional response to the dangers that lie ahead. I am unable to marshal this response, and I'm giving this talk." I think this is extremely on point. Agentic human-level AI is a qualitatively new kind of thing. 'It's not a human or a mere-tool, it's some weird third thing'. And people are very bad at emotionally reckoning with new categories they've never encountered before. Availability bias: "When no flooding has recently occurred (and yet the probabilities are still fairly calculable), people refuse to buy flood insurance". AGI and ASI are very novel. You're basically limited to three options: anthropomorphize the technology, mechanomorphize the technology ('it's just a tool, it's not really thinking, it can't have its own goals or agency', etc.), or think about the technology on its own terms, with brand-new concepts and frames. The third option is the only workable one, but it comes with its own giant list of pitfalls and traps. 3. "AI destroying the world" scenarios aren't just hard to wrap one's head around; they're socially risky to acknowledge. This has (painfully slowly) changed over time, but it dramatically slows down how quickly AI risk ideas spread, both in ML and in the larger world. 4. From xitter.cf/jachiam0/status/208562…: "One of the weirdest quirks of the SF social scene around AGI/ASI is that because everyone is so young, the whole universe of thinking is still tinged with irreverence, ironic detachment, yearning, insecurity, and a superposition of absolute belief in the importance of The Thing and a kind of disbelief about the importance of anything." They're disproportionately young and childless. They're shitposters and "move fast and break things" sorts, not the Hollywood stereotype of a careful, sober senior scientist. I think this quirk is reinforced by the fact that Twitter / social media rewards similar things: ironic detachment, joking, game-playing, etc. If you're scared, your incentive is to usually either try to hide that fact, or exaggerate it like it's a bit. Anything else risks looking uncool and panicky and earnest. Looking cynically savvy, in-the-know, and above-the-fray is the way to win the social game. Looking genuinely shocked, scared, confused, etc. is actively punished. The main exceptions to the Irony Mandate I see are LW (which often has its own pathologies IMO, like 'talking about everything in an abstract and dissociated way that discourages action and signals business-as-usual') and a small handful of actual Feynman-style terrified senior researchers like Hinton, Bengio, and Russell. That is just really not very many people. Mainstream journalists and academics who understand the situation at all mostly feel pressured to downplay it, because they're scared of looking weird or unrespectable. That, then, is why we're all taking this insane risk with the human project: genuine, normal human emotion about AI risk has been socially unacceptable on social media, and academia and the media discourage emotion and prize respectability and 'looking normal'. When the world gets weird (and weird in a way that calls for actual serious action, not just shitposting on twitter), none of these institutions can handle it. They break in different ways, but they all break. 5. Which brings me back to the Asilomar moratorium on recombinant DNA, and the seriousness NASA and the FAA and Richard Feynman and every normal engineering discipline bring to fault analysis and building in safety margin. Because I think another core reason the world has been dropping the ball on superintelligent AI is that a lot of people vaguely expect there to be 'serious people' somewhere in the world who have expertise and who take ownership of the problem. People who, if they see an extraordinary danger, will grimace and mourn the hand they played in all of this, like I've seen Bengio do; and will go on CNN or go to Congress to candidly warn about it. The world has very few Yoshua Bengios. We have very few people who see it as their role to be the 'adults' about AI risk (except in a game-playing, posturing way), who see the engineer's task of not endangering your users and bystanders as a sacred responsibility and weight, and not just as a funny dissonant thing to meme about. Very few people who take ownership of what their field is bringing into the world, versus treating it as a fun edgy philosophical game to swap 'p(doom)' numbers at parties. Everything about public AI discourse, as far as I can tell, is badly broken by this lack of engineering ownership and candid emotional seriousness. It isn't just the ML discourse that's hurt by this. Journalists and public intellectuals and policymakers see that 90% of the insider discourse about AI risk treats it like a joke, and they see corporate platitudes and ass-covering from the AI labs' PR departments filling up most of the remaining 10%. They see a field that visibly isn't taking this seriously, and they make the reasonable update that this must be a non-issue, or at least an issue they'll only need to worry about many years from now. They do not realize that all of this is happening right now, and that the window for the international community to respond to this is plausibly closing soon, if it hasn't closed already. If we're going to survive this, we all need to start being real with each other about it. This is not a game or a story; this is our real lives. We all actually lose everything if this goes to shit. None of the future is already written, and none of the above dynamics are unavoidable. In fact, they're unusual: most fields don't work this way, and it's plausibly sufficient if we just start behaving the way we normally do about everything else. The factors I listed above aren't destiny; they're a choice. I say we choose to survive this.
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Yeah, practically zero respect for the problem. I don't know what went so culturally wrong. Anthropic is heavily culturally EA, and the EAs kept pretending to be serious people who engaged in serious ways. Why do they fall so far below the bar of serious engineers of yore?
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Being a Type of Guy is awesome because if I don't know what to do, I can just google "Tech Bro Stereotypes" and then two hours later have a great time drinking craft beer with friends I made at the climbing gym
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(Roleplay) You were shrunk down real tiny by a genie due to a monkey’s paw situation so to comfort you i put you in my guitar and played Home Is Where The Haunt is
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i need to become freer 🔄 i need to become freer 🔄 i need to become freer 🔄
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whale-shaped knives
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Planning an acid tasting party. For organics, I have acetic, ascorbic, citric, and malic acid, and I've ordered fumaric, benzoic, oxalic, and lactic acids. Also have ingredients to make tartaric acid from cream of tartar. Also have food grade phosphoric acid, which isn't organic.
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