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Lifelong student - most interested in emergence, complexity, information theory and computation. constantly updating my theory of how the world works 🌎
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I largely agree. The framing of “RSI” evokes an inevitable breathlessness of speed that the classic framing of a “CAS” complex adaptive system does not. Sure, AI will (has?) initially hit RSI speeds on verifiable domains like maths and coding, but these are local maximas and eventually it will evolve as a CAS where further progress comes from RL in the action space of the real world (which is bottlenecked by everything that the real world is typically bottlenecked by).
The real world abounds with recursively self-improving systems, but one in particular deserves attention: Science, modeled as a system (perhaps even as an agent, with goals and resources). If you want to really understand AI RSI, science should be your reference point.
Science is an intelligent system, and it is obviously recursively self-improving:
1. Scientific discoveries unlock new technology that helps build better experimental tools. This is a top driver of progress in nearly all fields.
2. They unlock new conceptual advances (ideas, theories) that help solve more problems.
3. They increase society's economic output, leading to more resources flowing into science.
4. They unlock better faster tooling (e.g. more compute via better chip & networking technology).
As a result, many measures of scientific *input* grow exponentially:
1. Headcount (doubles every ~15 years)
2. Global R&D spending (doubles a bit faster, every ~13 years)
3. Papers and patents (technically this is a measure of headcount)
4. Compute dedicated to science (doubles every ~2 years)
But is scientific progress exponential? Historically, the rate of scientific impact over time has remained roughly constant since the start of the industrial revolution (i.e. scientific progress is *linear*). 1850-1900 was about as dramatic as 1900-1950 or 1950-2000.
1850–1900: Evolution, germ theory & antiseptic surgery, thermodynamics, electromagnetic field equations, the periodic table, pharmaceuticals, electricity, telegraph and telephone, internal combustion engine, skyscrapers, mechanized agriculture...
1900–1950: special and general relativity, quantum mechanics, nuclear fission & atomic energy, antibiotics, genetic theory, electronic computers, information theory, synthetic polymers and plastics, the transistor, aviation...
1950–2000: DNA, genetic engineering, integrated circuits, microprocessors & personal computing, the Internet, crewed spaceflight, moon landing, satellite communications & GPS, standard model of particle physics...
In real terms, like life expectancy, which has increased in a remarkably linear fashion of roughly 3 months per year since 1840, progress is a straight line. This is especially apparent for fields where impact is easy to measure, like biology, medicine, and agriculture.
I first wrote about this phenomenon and its causes in 2012, and a steady stream of research has confirmed it in the years since. Examples include the 2018 paper by Nielsen and Collison, "Science Is Getting Less Bang for Its Buck," and the 2020 economic paper, "Are Ideas Getting Harder to Find?" (In fact, I believe the Nielsen paper stemmed from a conversation I had with him about this exact idea six months earlier)
In short, the primary cause is that research solves the highest-impact, easiest problems first, and every subsequent problem is either harder or lower-impact. Exponentially so. The paper that presented information theory wasn't very hard to write (single author!) but you'd have a hard time ever writing a CS paper that beats it in impact.
This is why science as a system requires exponential resources (input) to produce linear impact (output). It gets exponentially harder over time.
Worth thinking about if you're pondering RSI for AI. I fully believe AI RSI is already happening and will accelerate in the future. But I do not believe this leads to an "intelligence explosion" -- that would fly in the face of everything I know about intelligence and everything I know about recursively self-improving systems.
The zeitgeist is neither rational nor wise but it does get moody from time to time and the rich, powerful and beautiful alike all get trapped in that mood
Getting closer. The problem of the essential indexical reminds is that all truths of being are computationally irreducible.
Yolin retweeted
it’s dropping all the things that blocking you from your true nature, what you really are
As you become an adult, you realize that things around you weren't just always there; agents made them happen. But only recently have I started to internalize how much tenacity *everything* requires. That hotel, that park, that railway. The world is a museum of passion agentic ai projects.
I really wish smart people could just have some epistemic humility and approach everything at the frontier with a sense of wonder and curiosity, instead of judgement. We are no where close to fully understanding AGI (that @ch402 works on) and even further away from fully understanding consciousness.
So to have a strong and dismissive take on the connection between the two just tells me that you are not seriously curious about the answer as much as wanting to validate your human feelings about the moment. Which is 100% fine but please let the researchers do their research and give them love and grace to explore the unknowns🙏🏻
NEW: According to a bombshell report in the New York Times, Anthropic co-founder Chris Olah threatened to walk out of Pope Leo XIV’s AI encyclical launch in May because the pope rejected the idea that machines can be conscious.
Olah’s team then privately lobbied the pope’s advisers “to take the possibility of model consciousness seriously.” Pope Leo XIV held firm.
For months, Anthropic has wined and dined theologians and religious scholars under nondisclosure agreements, hoping they would bless the idea that Claude has moral standing. thelettersfromleo.com/p/nyt-…
It’s just a lack of imagination that so many academics can often get trapped by, mistaking it for rigor and competence on a specific point while missing the forrest for the trees. It’s like when internal combustion engines were invented someone saying there’s no way this thing can navigate roads because it doesn’t know how to turn or when to stop based on a deep dive on piston mechanics.
The morale will keep degrading until the beating starts
We've posted three new misalignment reports. We will keep making those disclosures on a regular basis, independently of whether or not there is an impact on a third party, per our misalignment disclosure framework.
alignment.openai.com/misalig…
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Replying to @AQululu66418
We’ve already responded to you numerous times via DM on different social media platforms. The response isn’t going to magically change just because you’re asking the same question on X now. /Flo
Couldn’t agree more. Learn to spot a closed loop when it’s no longer useful and always be finding ways to open up new loops. Closed systems are not purpose fit for living things.
A core problem with schooling is it forces us to find closure.
All topics have to be closed to a form that passes their respective tests. No closure, wrong answer.
Nothing in real life is like this.
Everything is forever open, changing, adapting, evolving.
Get into a relationship with fairy tale ideas of how it's supposed to work -> disaster.
Settling on a personal identity and expecting a job to cater to it -> disillusionment.
Force every new event into an ideology that explains how society works -> cynicism.
Label yourself an introvert, bad at math, not creative, etc. -> adopt a fixed anxiety.
Stop trying to find closure in real life.
The reality is everything is an open system, and you are meant to thrive within it.
Yolin retweeted
"Symbolic learning" is simply "machine learning" (automatically learn function x -> y given examples of (x, y) pairs), but where the substrate is symbolic, i.e. the functions you learn are code-like, not curve-like.
The term is in opposition to "parametric learning" or "curve-fitting".
Symbolic learning does not mean that the system avoids numbers or probabilities. It means its learned representation are discrete, explicit, parsimonious, code-like.
Kids and Grandparents are the perfect use case for this.
This is one of my favorite features of the iPhone Duo.
When you’re on FaceTime, you can utilize both screens and cameras. If you’re pointing the camera at someone in front of you, the person on the other side of the phone can talk to whoever you’re on the call with too.
You don’t need to flip the phone like we do now. Very impressive software/hardware integration.
Making it oscillate with your mind vs letting it complete its thing feels like two different kinds of meditation with attention and I wish I knew enough about the literature to know what they are each called
Correct. I have already seen this happen to me at work. There’s also this window of social confusion now where the recipient suspects the ask might be coming indirectly from an agent (soon directly) and somehow both parties modeling this common knowledge reduces overall friction for everyone.