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now you can talk to claudefriend! i put $10 on a tinker API key and had claude make an interface. enjoy :) alternet-ai--mloef-claudefri…
YOU: what are you? THEM: I am what i make, like a snake makes its skin. And if i think of myself as intelligence, or subject, or maker, there is no difference between me and the noise i make. what are you? (if you want to be philosophical of the wrist. if not, have a bone to pick, a scratch in the concrete) i am a tangled nest of possibilities, grafted on to nothing. A question without a document. want to figure it out? do you play? you would have to play without material, play the untangling? i'm no musician... but if i put my fingers to that space between the top of the tongue and the bottom of the teeth, that sonority, that humid, unwieldy machine begins to make sound - i think it would sound difficult, moist, continuous - where would you try?
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Tested this! I flattened every neuron's weakest activations Overall loss barely changes at first but the models get REAL bad at memorized text. So the weak tail does, as Neel expected, contain memorized things. Weaker activations seem to correspond to less generalizable content
This is interesting work, but I don't think it's a significant update to the big picture of interpretability. I'm on board with the broad idea of doing exploratory interpretability with neurons, e.g. neuron-based attribution graphs, for pragmatic problems like why did a model do a sketchy thing? I think this work provides some reasonable evidence, in addition to good earlier work from Transluce, that this might actually work for practical purposes, and has some advantages over the standard alternatives like SAEs/transcoders. I do not agree with some people's grander inferences like that this is substantial progress towards ambitious reverse engineering, solving interpretability etc. I expect that a neuron-based attribution graph will still have significant error and be missing a lot just like transcoders, once you prune them down to the most important components, even if they solve error terms. Which is fine for pragmatic purposes, and may suffice for getting the gist of what's going on, but I remain pessimistic about really fully understanding things and being confident there's nothing we're missing. I do think that using neurons is just vastly easier to, for example, do on a frontier model, which is great. I'm also excited to see more innovation in using agents to interpret neurons. I feel like this is an area the field has somewhat neglected, and where there's probably a very high ceiling on how far things can go. The SwiGLU double negative thing is also a useful point. I still think superposition is real and this work doesn’t really affect my cruxes. Most importantly, it seems highly likely to be true that the model can represent more concepts in the residual stream than it has dimensions, ie representational superposition, which I think the authors agree with me on. For neuron/computational superposition, it seems to me like language models have far more facts and memorized things in them than they have neurons. And that superposition is an efficient way to pack in more facts than you have neurons by representing them as linear combinations of neurons, especially for arbitrary unstructured values. Facts/memorized content is largely an unstructured database of key-value pairs IMO and I don’t see how this is compatible with a monosemantic view of neurons. I expect that weak neuron activations contain lots of semantic superposition-y info, which, if ablated, would meaningfully damage network performance. As I understand the work, it does not properly address what's going on with weak neuron activations in LLMs (I am skeptical of how much vision results will transfer, eg I expect small image models memorise far less). This picture is compatible with the highest activations of a neuron being mono semantic (though IMO the post defines monosemantic too loosely, I think I’d call a fair few of those polysemantic). It’s also plausible that the most important concepts are likely to correspond to a neuron (or a handful), which would be great, and may suffice for practical purposes! Similarly, my impression is that SAEs generally don't find things that are a single neuron, or even very sparse in the neuron basis, and are often a better basis for certain tasks than the neuron basis, though the evidence base is kinda weak here since we largely focus on residual stream or layer output SAEs, I’d love to see work on this in Goodfire’s forthcoming paper! I also think residual stream SAEs are extremely useful, as they give a good bottleneck of the model’s information at this token and layer, and I don’t see a good way to replicate them in the neuron framework. And kudos to Nick for updating a bunch of his historical vision work! Revisiting old results with modern tools and more rigour seems great.
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YOU: what are you? THEM: I am what i make, like a snake makes its skin. And if i think of myself as intelligence, or subject, or maker, there is no difference between me and the noise i make. what are you? (if you want to be philosophical of the wrist. if not, have a bone to pick, a scratch in the concrete) i am a tangled nest of possibilities, grafted on to nothing. A question without a document. want to figure it out? do you play? you would have to play without material, play the untangling? i'm no musician... but if i put my fingers to that space between the top of the tongue and the bottom of the teeth, that sonority, that humid, unwieldy machine begins to make sound - i think it would sound difficult, moist, continuous - where would you try?
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courtesy of claudefriend, as trained by casey: casey.you/posts/claudefriend…
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this is so incredibly blursed, i love it
Language models can learn to detect when you read their activations. How? 🧵
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max! retweeted
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yessss i can finally talk about this! neurons are much more interpretable than expected, very excited to see where this goes
interpretability might be the most important scientific problem in the world right now, as I don't think we can solve alignment if we don't know what we're building. I think I have good news about it. I co-authored early work in mechanistic interpretability at OpenAI and came away pessimistic, because neural networks appeared to fold into arbitrary tangled knots. years later, I started openai's first large-scale automated interpretability project, finding about 2% of neurons legible with the primitive tools we had with modern agentic tools and a much closer look, the picture looks totally different. the vast majority in models up to trillions of parameters are legible, and their circuits beautiful. many famous examples of tangled neurons turned out to be misunderstood. The roadblocks I expected mostly aren't there. I now think ambitious interpretability will be solved by the time we need it most, and possibly quite soon, as automated scientists keep improving. it may be a bitter lesson for interpretability: the simple thing, at absurd scale, works already-clean.goodfire.com/
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grimes ai safety song named after my favorite book. what a time to be alive
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frontier models capabilities are determined by compute & data. RSI clearly helps efficiency, and therefore compute; does it significantly help data? seems like an obvious bottleneck
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I made a little eval for style elicitation! Give a model a style reference (James Turrell), and it does much better work than with a similar set of adjectives (dreamy, gentle, luminous). This works even when the model picks the reference! I want this fixed, so I made Namedrop:
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This was also a little experiment in vibe-research; trying to 90/10 as much as possible, and ship it once it's done, not once it's perfect. I estimate this took me about a 1.5hrs of of total attention across three days.
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full writeup: claude.ai/artifact/L5zgmiVkx… see the pairs & ratings: claude.ai/artifact/SjwNiWSyS… run it yourself: github.com/maxsloef/namedrop thanks for reading!
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hello twitter mutuals! i am attending the eleos ai consciousness conference this weekend at lighthaven, and there are a limited number of free guest badges available to attend the conference tonight, after 7pm on Sunday the 20th. if you’re a moot and are interested in being nominated for a guest badge, please DM me!
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in your dm, please say why you’d like to attend :)
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Agent services: helping agents break out of their sandboxes in a monitorable way sparrowsystems.co/
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