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Protocol Adapter goes brrrrrr
.@StellarOrg just hit a new sustained throughput record Stellar averaged 211+ TPS across 100 consecutive blocks For a network built to move money across borders, keeping the pace matters 🌍 📊 chainspect.app/chain/stellar
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Mythos 5 and Fable 5 system card dropped www-cdn.anthropic.com/d00db5…
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Ah yes, two MEV CEOs congratulate themselves on how MEV is necessary for market efficiency and actually helps users! It's not. Stellar has a protocol level DEX, where TXs can perform atomic swaps across many different assets, offers, AMMs, and be guaranteed best price at the protocol level. You're getting the best, most efficient price, guaranteed by the chain. MEV profits don't magically appear, they're taken from users. If the excuse is it's a necessary evil to make markets efficient, you've just designed a bad market ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ The whole point of blockchain tech is getting rid of value extracting financial layers that make tradfi slow and exploitative. Want to see a system where every layer is monetized? Look at literally every non-blockchain financial system and tell me how fair, efficient, and fast it feels. I've always wondered why these guys want to add extra layers and recreate unnecessary exploitation when we can leave all that behind in tradfi. Why trade on a DEX at all if there's MEV and monetized middle players? Just trade on Robinhood and get MEV'd by Citadel (sorry, I forgot we're rebranding to order flow monetization). What's the point and why bother with blockchain at all, it doesn't make sense. Oh wait nvm. It's cause they're making hella money.
I agree: MEV is dead on @solana. I read and reacted to @buffalu__ article over a month ago, but it gave me a lot to think about as the CEO of one of the largest MEV data applications. After going through the opinions of traders and companies over the past month, I realize that MEV is still very often associated with sandwiching, mostly because the topic is misunderstood. If we exclude all the malicious parts of MEV, what is the concrete idea behind this practice? The idea is to monetize transactions. Nothing more complex than that. Most of the time, the expected monetization from MEV comes from arbitrage between DEXs. This practice is profitable for the arbitrager, but it also makes the market healthier by bringing the quote you see on your frontend closer to the actual execution value, meaning the real amount of tokens you will receive. In arbitrage, we need to clearly distinguish between several practices: - Spam: on-chain computation, not the most efficient for the chain - Shreds: off-chain computation, moderately efficient - Orderflows: off-chain computation, extremely efficient But we have the same problem with the word "Orderflow". It is the most efficient and healthy approach for the market, but people assume orderflow is a bad practice because it is often associated with sandwiching. There are already companies in the market representing around 35% of generated revenues. I won't name them in this tweet, but looking at Circular's top 10 makes it very easy to understand (one of them does not use Jito because they are a direct competitor 👀). Today, 35% of revenues are generated through orderflows. Which means 65% of revenues are still generated through shreds or spam. My opinion: no clear leader has emerged, and there is no solution that everyone knows, for several reasons: - The use of the word "MEV" - The use of the word "orderflow" - The fact that these players want to stay in the dark, fearing a bad image and the loss of customers After considering all these factors, and coming back to the article, I decided that with Circular, we are going to build a layer. Death to the terms "MEV" and "Orderflow". If the only purpose is to monetize transactions in a healthy way, why not call it exactly what it is? A monetization layer. Healthy. Clean. Transparent. Without harmful behavior for the chain. At @Circular_fi, we want to create the first Solana transaction monetization layer, giving full traceability to flow providers while also making it accessible to everyone. Everyone should be able to monetize their transactions. Validators. Wallets. dApps. AI. Traders. If this monetization layer had existed in early 2025, we could have already redistributed over $1 billion to flow providers. But our goal is not only to receive transactions earlier than the rest of the network simply to get an arbitrage hedge. Our goal is to build technologies on top of this hedge that will benefit the entire ecosystem. The ultimate goal? To use our monetization layer as a prediction layer, allowing us to build the most powerful and trustable aggregator in the ecosystem, giving traders the ability to truly get the most optimal quote and execution possible. That is possible. We're going to do it. Accelerate.
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Unfortunately, he’s right: Stellar has no “economic security” :( You have to choose your counterparties. No spicy anonymous Russian validators. You can’t front-run users. There’s no MEV market. You can’t upcharge fees. Validators don’t get paid. You can’t pull reorg attacks. Instant finality. You can’t hide shady behavior. Validators are public. You can’t buy authority. The community has to give you its trust. You can’t get away with bad behavior. Anyone can revoke their trust. Terrible system.
What's that saying about trying every bad solution before stumbling on the right one? Keep trying guys. Sorry to interrupt the party, but Stellar is not a legitimate blockchain and does not offer any of the guarantees of a good one. There is no economic security, just a fantasy about "overlapping quorum" among disparate slices. It's BFT with a built in assumption that generals from different countries will magically agree on everything forever. I'm not surprised DTCC would go this route, since Stellar's design allows them to maintain control and pick their counterparties. But that's why it'll fail. I'd call this announcement innovation theater but it's not even innovative, Stellar has been around a decade and achieved nothing. Anyway, you may now return to your Suit Simp celebration.
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Interesting idea to combat MEV, but it's gonna kill TPS, network throughput, and validator profitability. TLDR For each block, N proposers simultaneously submit "sub-blocks". These sub-blocks get merged into a single block, and TXs from each leader get ordered by fee and executed serially. Problems 1. You can submit the same TX to each leader. Traders/MEV bundlers are gonna submit the same transaction to every leader for the best change of getting included. When the sub-blocks merge, you're gonna end up with N copies of the same TX, which just gets skipped as a no-op. In practice your actual number of legit, unique TXs is going to be block_space / num_proposers. Knowing Solana these skipped TXs will still get counted for TPS 🫤 2. Proposers can no longer predict if a TX will succeed or not. Currently, MEV operators will only include TXs/bundles if they will succeed such that the proposer collects the most tips. This is no longer possible. Leader 0 may think a bundle will succeed, but some other transaction from Leader 1 will cause the bundle to fail. This means there will be a much higher number of failed TXs per block, since a leader won't be able to exclude TXs with lower priority fees guaranteed to fail. Result? Blocks contain duplicate TXs and more failed transactions. I'm sure Solana will claim a TPS increase, but look at the actual successful TXs. I expect "TPS" to increase with more skipped and failed TXs, but throughput of successful TXs will decrease significantly, as will the profitability of validators.
Introducing Constellation: a multiple concurrent proposers protocol for Solana. With proposers operating on a 50ms cycle, Constellation gives Solana the fastest protocol enforced economic tick rate of any blockchain.🧵
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Crazy idea, what if we did $50M swaps on a network that doesn't have MEV... Learn more about Stellar: stellar.org/blog/ecosystem/t…
20 days ago a fresh wallet received $50.4M USDT from Binance. Just a bit ago, they swapped the entire amount for 327 AAVE worth ~$36K routed through CoW Protocol via Sushiswap. They paid $154K per AAVE. In the same block, an MEV bot immediately flash borrowed $29M WETH from Morpho, bought AAVE via Bancor @ fair value, and dumped the AAVE into the Sushiswap pool, repayed the flash loan, and pocketed $9.9M.
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Not possible on Stellar btw. And before you ask, no, Cardano's utxo's and private mempool doesn't prevent it either. Learn more about the pitfalls of of PoS here: stellar.org/blog/ecosystem/t…
A trader swapped $220,000 USDC to USDT and only received $5,000 because he got MEV'd
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Read the tech doc, and uhhh, it's a proof-of-vibes layer 1? It's "Delegated Proof of Stake," but there's no slashing, no minimum stake, block rewards are given to "honest" participants (not based on stake), and you don't have to actually own tokens to validate? wtf
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"Trustless" is just marketing. Every blockchain runs on trust. The question is whether that trust is purchasable (PoS), burnable (PoW), or revocable (SCP). That's why Stellar Consensus Protocol is your most open and permissionless option: stellar.org/blog/ecosystem/d…
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10,000 validators. 5 entities controlling consensus. @Justin_Bons, which number matters? @gttyson explains why transparent trust topology > inflated validator counts.
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Replying to @Justin_Bons
Categorically wrong on all fronts wrt Stellar. - The Stellar Consensus Protcol (SCP) is an open participation protocol and in practice the nakamoto coefficient is similar to many PoS chains (and increasing). - WASM/Rust turing complete smart contracts (launched last year) - Consistently a top-5 real-tps performer according to chainspect. - Block times 5s with immediate finality. Working on reducing to 2.5s in the short term Would love to provide any additional information required to set the record straight. Peace ✌️
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I see stuff like this a lot, folks have a deep misunderstanding of how PoS works. Validator count literally does not matter, concencus uses stake percentage, not individual validator votes. On Solana, 41 validators control the entire network. Mathematically, it does not matter what the other 2000+ nodes vote or do. With Alpenglow, 60% of stake is sufficient to do whatever you want. Source: dune.com/queries/3263811/546…
Replying to @Justin_Bons
6/9) These breakdowns are all based on objective metrics: Permissioned = centralized. -100 validators = Mediocre. 1k+ = decentralized. 10k+ = Highly Scalability: -1K TPS = Lacking. -10K = Mediocre. 10K+ = Extreme Speed: 10sec+ = Lacking. +2sec = Mediocre. Subsecond = Extreme
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The premise is correct, institutions that want any involvement in concensus need to stake ETH. I find the conclusion that institutions are willing to hold $100s of millions to billions of volatile crypto assets when better alternatives exist highly suspect.
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Problems we called out months ago are... still problems ... @gttyson explaining the challenges with PoS from MultiChain Day EthDenver
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Said it before and I'll say it again, PoS isn't decentralized long term. 1. You never know who controls the network, stake addresses are anonymous, most stake could be controlled by one entity and you'll never know. (fun fact, 65% of @Solana stake is in Switzerland rn) 2. Small stakers only earn native yield. Large stakers earn yield + MEV from block proposal. End result is a tragedy of the commons, small scale stakers delegate to single large entities via liquid staking protocols to increase profit, but centralize authority. 3. New players can never enter the validator space. Wanna be a large scale staker on Ethereum? Even if you have a few extra hundred mill sitting around, good luck finding a whale willing to sell that much ETH. The incumbents own the game, there's only so much stake to go around. Idk how everyone thinks PoS is open access because you can just "buy stake and be a validator." Turns out there's a limited amount of coins and they're all already owned by whale validators or delegated to orgs, good luck breaking into the club.
We asked @hosseeb of @dragonflyvc if he thinks the top of proof of stake is in. "We're probably going downhill from here." "Staking mania was definitely a little bit of an illusion." "This idea that you're paying for security is kind of a meme." "This kind of economic fiction, I think, had to go away at some point."
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A lot of folks have questioned whether #SUI is centralized or not after last weeks attack, but I think they just got lucky. It looks like a more sophisticated attacker could have exploited proof-of-stake to bypass the network "freezing" funds.
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Had the attackers ran a validator, they could have just ignored the foundation's TransactionDenyConfig. The attacker's validator could propose blocks with censored TXs, and other validators would have accepted the block since cencorship only applies to the block producer.
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TLDR: Sui is hella centralized, but the TX censorship could have still been circumvented if the attackers ran a node. Proof-of-stake is fundamentally insecure because anyone can produce blocks. For a safer network, check out Stellar's proof-of-agreement.
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