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the quoted post resurfaced recently. I think it's mostly right about what it addresses, but back then I didn't have a good grasp of the nature and direction of the process I was undergoing. When we meditate or engage in other spiritual practices, what are we actually trying to do? I think we are trying to cultivate a non-instrumental relationship to everything in experience (including feeling, thoughts, concepts, people, physical objects, etc). Each thing should be experienced for what it is, not for what role it might play in a strategy to do something else. I think relating to things instrumentally literally reduces their perceived level of detail. A doorknob has an obvious use and purpose, and if you want to open the door then the knob has a role to play. But I am pretty sure that perceiving the knob for its function causes the mind to discard irrelevant details about it, including sensory details like colors and shapes. In the previous post I mentioned my vision becoming more luminous and saturated as the practice progressed. I think this is the reason: when you are automatically viewing things for their function, their non-useful properties are treated as irrelevant and discarded. On the other hand, in spiritual practice one trains a different way of relating to things: appreciating them for what they are. This way of relating seems to retain the sensory data that the instrumental mode throws out, leading to a feeling that I experience constantly now: the sense that beauty in the world is abundant, even gratuitous. As this process of repairing the way of relating progresses, it locates what I would call "terminal values." These are the objects, people, ideals, experiences, etc that one values for exactly what they are. These are things that would be worthwhile even if you couldn't tell anyone about them, if engaging with them meant nothing about you, and if there were no benefit to them whatsoever. I think these values are basically shaped by personality, culture, and experience. There is an intuitive aesthetic sense. Contact with a terminal value is basically a religious experience. It is the sense that something is unconditionally complete in itself. As one spends more time in contact with such things, the mind reorganizes itself dramatically. Processes such as maintaining one's identity, holding resentment or frustration, seeking status, avoiding pain, and so on begin to shut down. Physiologically, this seems to be accompanied by an immense amount of crying, though I don't really know why. Eventually, each moment starts to feel perfect, because it is not being compared or judged, and life becomes enchanted and saturated with meaning. Reactivity vanishes. Emotional dependence on others vanishes. It is impossible to imagine the magnitude of the change without experiencing it. I think many popular narratives sanitize spirituality and make it sound like a therapeutic technique, or understate the degree of the change that occurs. As far as I can tell, at the end of this process is absolute, unconditional freedom from the vagaries of the external world. When you engage with terminal values, and train yourself to relate to them non-instrumentally, then no consequence or effect in the external world can change the meaning or importance of your actions. One becomes fundamentally unshakeable. The liberation is so extreme that I doubt most people would agree that it is a positive change, though that it has been positive for me is beyond question.
Here, the edge of my understanding of suffering: As I've worked to dismantle psychological conditioning, I've noticed the following cycle. First, a sense of stuckness or badness arises, due to a particular combination of external circumstances and internal conditioning. If this is approached using some therapeutic technique (eg IFS, imaginal dialogue), and the underlying emotions are resolved, then the badness tends to dissipate and leave a sense of blankness. I interpret this as an old, fixed structure in the mind dissolving, and the systems that generate meaning, motivation, and action struggling to figure out what to do in a new emotional landscape. Eventually (hours to days) the blankness passes, and leaves a raging energy and impulsivity. This too fades in hours to days, leaving a sense of liberation from the need to do anything at all. After fifty or sixty of these cycles, some strange things started to happen. Unpleasant memories started to arise spontaneously, one by one every hour or two for days at a time. Many of these were things I had “forgotten”, and often they would make me flinch when they arose. I guess this is memory reconsolidation happening spontaneously? Probably because after so much inner work the mind starts to feel that it’s safe to bring up those things, as it expects the conscious mind will meet them compassionately. The really strange thing is that these memories, upon arising, distinctly feel like they’ve always been there, coloring the way I view the world but hidden from conscious awareness. As this progresses I became noticeably less reactive (from a baseline of already feeling fairly non-reactive). My memories of the past became really fuzzy, which is strange because I used to have video-like play by play memories of all kinds of things. Also I started to notice my vision becoming very detailed and colorful and expansive - not more focused or clearer, but more luminous, saturated, and beautiful. Even looking at a leaf has become deeply pleasurable. This feeling comes and goes but corresponds especially with the end of the “blank” phase in the cycle above. Finally, the sense of self-consciousness or embarrassment has basically vanished, which gives me much more range of expression in social settings. As this progressed I started to recognize that when I experience suffering, it always leads to a related memory coming up later. So I guess the suffering is caused by the memory being combined with or overlaid on the present. But it’s not just the expectation that something bad will happen in the real world because it happened in the past - I think a large part of it, or possibly all of it, is the expectation that something bad will happen internally, most commonly some form of self-betrayal or self-coercion. Why betray oneself? I think probably because one comes to the reasonable conclusion that compromise is necessary in order to bring about desirable external conditions. But since it seemed like betrayal or internal fracture was the root of suffering, I got interested in what would happen if I just committed to always doing what felt right all the time. Disclaimer I have really excellent impulse control and executive function and self-awareness at this point so I have no idea if this is going to lead to positive outcomes in general. But it turned out that as I made a point of not managing my life every time the impulse to manage it arose, the above cycle continued. Instead of energy, though, it led me in a direction of devotion, or submission, to things that matter more than me. Simultaneously the sense that I am doing anything in my life, and the sense that I have to do anything, is noticeably diminished. It’s a bit of a paradox - if something matters more than you, shouldn’t you be going to great lengths to express that? But I don’t see that happening. The kind of devotion that arises naturally is simple and quiet. It seems that as long as I make choices that are internally aligned as they come up, I am not really “on the hook” for anything else, and as I get more aligned, the parts of my mind that are controlling and planning and managing just drop away. The future feels unreal and insubstantial. This all sounds great but to me it’s a powerful indictment of our society and overall philosophy of life. We take for granted the notion that you’re supposed to be able to formulate and execute plans, behave consistently, and operate as part of large, rigid systems. In fact not being able to do that is often classified as pathology. But rigidity and regularity are often the source of self-betrayal and self-coercion, which (at my current level of understanding) form the core of suffering. You can have all the freedoms you want on paper but if you’re not free to act according to moment-to-moment feelings I don’t think it matters. The bait and switch is creating a “free” society but installing guardrails within peoples’ minds instead. The cool thing is that you can still develop that freedom, but of course it’s a lot of work to undo social conditioning, and it could result in terrible consequences. The inner investigation has reached a natural conclusion now because it seems to be running in the background - the memories come up, less often now; I get random insights into how some big thing in my mind was a story constructed from smaller things, and that goes away; and so on. I think the open question for me is “what now?” - what is worth doing? is this all there is? should I become a monk? (mostly joking) and various things along those lines.
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got unbelievably muddy yesterday
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Mediating your emotions through the external world tends to generate a complex, demanding life. On the other hand, the more that you recognize that your emotions are not intrinsically associated with external conditions or objects, the less you actually have to do.
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nothing ruins my day like remembering that the sauropods are gone forever
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I liked this scene. "A life without fear is missing life's most essential quality"
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most people spend a lot of time insisting on their own significance in a variety of ways, but you don't have to do that
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I personally give you permission
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at deeper stages emotions last for shorter and shorter durations, more like clouds moving across the sun than storm systems. they mostly lack any narrative content - just a blip of indescribable affect, then silence again
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day 4 of time-restricted eating: paper is starting to look like food
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the real evidence for the intelligence of cetaceans is that they tried land out for a bit and decided to return to the ocean
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I really like Tolkien's "Song of Durin" as a meditation on the incorruptible nature of being
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relevant excerpts:
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If you think about it Berserk is also built around the same theme though it kind of lost the plot at some point
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You actually have to be vulnerable to heal - you have to lower your defenses and discover that they were not necessary. But you might get burned, hence vulnerability
I dislike when people praise each other for being vulnerable. Vulnerability is an undesirable side effect of emotional openness, not something to aim for. My suggested replacement is to praise them for being courageous.
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Courage makes the process sound heroic, which allows one to preserve their (masculine) identity throughout, but the whole point is dissolving the identity
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one more opinion related to this:
not interested in controversy so my opinion is in the reply
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for example I want to understand whether a particular idea is true or not, even though the idea sounds stupid. the LLM can't call me stupid, can't leave, and isn't attached to being correct. so I can use it to clarify my thoughts until I can determine what is true
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the point is using it as a way to sharpen and clarify your own thoughts, not as an oracle of truth or a substitute for thinking
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