@edgecase411

When AI meets the real world. FSD tester and progress tracker, Builder of @CamCutApp dashcam manager and telemetry visualizer. Tesla fan

Los Angeles, CA
Joined November 2013
Watch FSD react to an obstacle revealed at the last moment. Larger box: 3/3 avoided
Smaller box: 1/3 avoided We also ran a control test with the lead car swerving without an obstacle. FSD didn’t react, suggesting it was responding to the obstacle rather than simply following the lead car’s maneuver. The smaller box was still large enough to potentially cause damage. @OGMarsLife @Muzeishen @Tesla_AI
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Gonna drop this sick 360° dashcam view for all the chilren to play with in the next @CamCutApp update. @MartyEarthy gave me the idea about 6 months ago when I first started building CamCut, but I really disliked that Tesla doesn’t provide the wide-angle front camera feed, so the transitions between the front and pillar cameras can’t be seamless. You’ll have to live with the pillar gaps because I don’t want to fake it, but honestly, it’s not too bad. Kinda makes you feel like you’re sitting in the cockpit of a spaceship Let me know if you think of any feature enhancement or how you would use it.
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This is really interesting situation FSD v14.2 lite has to stop in the middle of the intersection to let emergency vehicles through and then gets stuck there on a red light. I think FSD had to start creeping forward as soon as the ambulance passed to show intent otherwise the cars will start moving. then you’re stuck there for the whole red cycle. Would’ve been worse and more dangerous situation on a much bigger street with fast moving traffic
Did FSD do the right thing here, what do you think? Filmed w/ FSD v14.2 Lite HW3 on Tues. Sept. 15th. @tnertz @edgecase411
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14.2 lite edge case. Can’t see the construction pole flag guy from far away
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Tesla owners need to get comfortable with an uncomfortable possibility: Sleeping in the back seat of your personal Tesla may still be many years away. I’ve been tracking FSD progress for almost 4 years. Every major version keeps getting better, but the gains are getting smaller. v11 +1.37 v12 +1.39 v13 +1.09 v14 +0.78 Since v12, each major has added roughly 75% of the improvement of the one before it. If that trend continues: v15 → ~8.8 v16 → ~9.2 We’re already past the average 322-day (10month) gap between major versions, so I’m expecting v15 soon. 8.8 is the number I’ll be watching. If v15 lands significantly below that, it means the improvement curve is flattening faster than the current trend predicts. But here’s the problem: the last 10% isn’t just another 10%. Comfort is already at 9.3 on my tracker. What’s left is a mix of stubborn everyday problems that somehow still aren’t solved, like navigation, potholes, parking, signs, and the long tail of less frequent safety-critical edge cases like thin barriers, overhanging objects and unusual road situations. Navigation is especially frustrating. After almost 4 years of tracking FSD, it doesn’t feel like it’s getting much better. This is the march of nines. The closer we get, the harder each additional nine becomes. And there’s another part of this I think people are overlooking. If Tesla can continue growing FSD subscriptions simply by making Supervised FSD better and progressively less actively monitored, where is the urgency to push personal vehicles into true unsupervised operation? That next step brings a completely different level of regulatory scrutiny and liability. Meanwhile, Tesla has another path. It can roll out unsupervised Robotaxi city by city, control the fleet and operating area, and expand as the system proves itself. That’s a much more controlled way to take on the risk than allowing millions of privately owned Teslas to drive around without anyone in the driver’s seat. So I absolutely expect FSD to keep getting better. I expect the nags to keep disappearing. And I expect Supervised FSD to get incredibly boring in the best possible way. But “better FSD” and “I can sleep in the back seat” are not the same finish line. I don’t know about you but I love this journey. It’s fascinating to experience and I look forward what the next couple of major version releases brings.
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If you want to play around with the interactive tracker and explore all the categories and ratings edgecaselabs.app/fsd/
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say everyone using FSD is experiencing this frequently and is annoyed as hell. Everyone is praying V15 finally solves the late-staging navigation issues so we don’t have these YOLO cut-throughs to make an exit. Then we can finally say FSD is boring as hell, in the best possible way.
Here is the rest of the FSD exit party…😑
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Caution: Do not try this FSD test at home, kids! Testing FSD’s response to an elevated obstacle: a 2x4 sticking out directly into its path. At 30 mph, FSD does not react ❌ At 20 mph, FSD swerves to avoid it ✅ Shoutout to @Muzeishen for trusting his life in my hands and @OGMarsLife for being a witness that no harm was done This test was a bit spontaneous and will be improved in the future. I know that FSD still has trouble with suspended obstacles. But to be fair the wood was not clearly visible to me until about a couple of seconds before I intervened
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Balls of steel man pov
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I guess we’re gonna have to convince people one person at a time that sitting over a Tesla EV battery isn’t the death trap they’ve been led to believe. Sigh. This friend of mine will be getting his first Tesla in November
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Edge Case retweeted
Here’s another intense situation on one of the narrowest sections of Slovenia’s highest road 🇸🇮, where Tesla FSD (Supervised) successfully maneuvered around and yielded to several oncoming cars in a row. What do you think? Did FSD handle it well, or would a human driver have handled the situation significantly better? @teslaeurope @Tesla @elonmusk @TeslaOwnersSLO
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Tesla really needs to employ some defensive drivers on their FSD training  team. Reaction time can only buy you so much. Physics will always win. A good defensive driver would anticipate this situation well in advance. @Tesla_AI
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Testing how FSD reacts when the car ahead swerves around an obstacle at the last second.
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Unprotected left turns still trip up FSD. When it doesn’t have enough confidence it hesitates. The problem is, once it commits to the turn, that hesitation will leave it stopped in the path of oncoming traffic. And if you’re supervising properly you have to intervene.
Be careful not to become complacent using FSD, even on a simple UPL. I am 99.999% sure with the hesitation I felt and the brake stabbing, and the fact the car was going 5 mph and actually decelerating as I hit the brake that FSD was going to leave me directly in this car's path. .8Gs of manual braking is crazy. Watch the steering wheel and look at the acceleration bounce - this is unacceptable. @Tesla
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Never forget 🇺🇸 Here is some marvelous American engineering with FSD navigating around badly placed traffic cones at high speed and then threading the needle for the exit between a gap in the cones safely cutting across three lanes
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A little insight from Ashok on what’s coming with FSD V15. I just posted this chart yesterday showing safety still has some catching up to do to comfort, so I’m looking forward to testing these safety improvements as they climb toward the 9s.
Replying to @SteveKBark
Glad you are safe. Even earlier prediction of hazards, even faster reaction time and overall significantly better safety and collision avoidance coming as part of the next big upgrade (v15).
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Tesla solved comfort long before safety-critical FSD features. But historically, every push toward safety came with a hit to comfort. Was prioritizing comfort by design, or was it simply the low-hanging fruit? Btw I made this FSD progress tracker interactive chart and the full score matrix public for all the chilren to play with. Link in the replies below
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edgecaselabs.app/fsd/ Let me know if there are any bugs or feature requests
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Unsupervised FSD won’t come with the flip of a switch. It’s already happening through gradually reduced nagging and active monitoring. This might be Tesla’s greatest chess move yet.
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It’s perplexing to me that after 4 years FSD hasn’t learned how to get in these turning lanes @tesla_ai
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@CityofInglewood you’re getting roasted in the comments.
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