@dm_lenz

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Joined August 2019
Ever since I was a kid, I dreamed of video games where being a top player required mastery of skills relevant to jobs we want filled, and the leaderboards became a way to get recruited. A few games that represent this idea today are Factorio for industrial systems design and Kerbal Space Program for aerospace design. You can create games for pretty much any skill, including non-techie skills around persuasion, strategy, etc. Gamifying education is on the horizon - why not expand that to professional development and recruitment?
request for startup: a job board that has 10,000 young Americans ready and eager for factory work i promise you they exist, we just need to rally them
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Obviously rack torture is terrible way to die. But as they are winding you up, I bet there's like 5 seconds where you feel amazing as your spine decompresses (think inversion table or dead hang) - before you are pulled to pieces. There is the kernel of some demented product idea here.
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Dan Lenz retweeted
You buy a German anvil. It contains 83 moving parts and requires winding twice a day. It's forged from excellent steel, holds tolerances across all three striking faces to within three microns, includes a beautifully indexed horn-adjustment mechanism nobody asked for, and requires a proprietary 11-point spanner should you need to replace the rebound calibration bushing. It runs flawlessly for years, but one day it starts up in limp mode because the onboard anvil-management system detects that it's overdue for its 50,000-strike inspection. You search AliExpress for a Chinese anvil, and are presented with a multitude of offerings from such household-name brands as DUKXJYIBF, HDBTGMXI, AND UEJQIP. They're all priced to within a few pennies of each other, appear completely identical except for the nameplate, and obviously all came out of the same factory. You text your blacksmith friend to ask if they're legit. He tells you he got one like that from KIXJBU a few years ago, and that it's been great and a terrific deal. You thank him, but KIXJBU seems to have folded so you buy the one from UEJQIP. When it arrives, it feels suspiciously light. You scratch it and realize it's iron-plated aluminum. You buy an American anvil. It's five times the price of the competition, but it comes from a brand that your great-grandfather used to love. It comes boxed with a warranty registration postcard, twenty pages of safety instructions, assay certificate, and a regulatory slip which lists its FCC certification and ITAR registration. It looks just like your friend's KIXJBU. There's a "Made In China" sticker on the bottom. You buy a Russian anvil. It arrives coated in cosmoline, wrapped in newspaper from 1974, and weighing 40% more than advertised. The finish looks like it was machined with a shovel. The face is not flat, but somehow this does not matter. You drop it off a truck, accidentally leave it outside for six winters, and use it to straighten a bulldozer blade. It's fine. You buy a Swedish anvil. It comes flat-packed in a long cardboard box with cheerful Neo-Grotesk lettering and a line drawing of a smiling man assembling it with an Allen key. The instructions contain no words, only pictograms showing the anvil face, horn, waist, feet, and 112 identical-looking fasteners. Halfway through assembly, you discover that the pritchel hole was installed upside down, but only because you used peg B17 where you should have used peg B71. Once assembled, it is clean, stable, and works better than it has any right to. You immediately wonder whether you should have bought two. You buy a Japanese anvil. It arrives wrapped in rice paper inside a paulownia box, accompanied by a certificate bearing three generations of signatures and a photograph of the first production example being presented to the Emperor. The face has been hand-polished by a seventy-eight-year-old master whose family has made striking surfaces since the Muromachi period. You are given detailed instructions for oiling it with a cloth folded in a specific way. It is the most beautiful object you own. You never quite work up the nerve to strike it.
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Dan Lenz retweeted
Replying to @magnushambleton
Forums reward coherence. Reality rewards correctness. These diverge more than the forum people realize.
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Replying to @SelfSpidey
“Post-Turing, pre-AGI” is a good heuristic for understanding our bizarre moment in history
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Great read. A big shocker was the astounding inefficiency of loading & unloading ships in modern times (up til the late 1950s) prior to the shipping container. The US was launching its first satellites into space while the first shipping containers were still being piloted!
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The pictures are of the same era. Picture 2: Explorer 1 satellite launch (1958) Picture 3: Unloading raw sugar at the Brooklyn docks (1950s)
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It’s amazing how far ahead of the curve @AndrewYang was on thinking through labor displacement by automation. He wrote a book on the problem with similar solutions as L/0 in 2018 and ran for president on those ideas in 2020! Even though some could “see” automation coming for the entire workforce, almost no one could “feel” it in 2020. Sadly, voters are 100% feeling creatures so his loss was inevitable. But people are feeling it now. And with the boost of a catchy name, perhaps it’s time for Labor Zero to have its moment?
Everyone is exhausted. This is not a metaphor or a generational complaint. It is a clinical and measurable reality that spans every culture and every economic class. In China, young people call it tang ping, or “lying flat,” a deliberate withdrawal from the achievement treadmill. In Japan, karoshi is a legally recognized cause of death, meaning “worked to death.” In Korea, fertility has collapsed to the lowest rate on earth because an entire generation has decided the grind is not worth reproducing into. In America, deaths of despair have driven life expectancy backward for the first time in a century. Quiet quitting. Let it rot. The Great Resignation. These are not trends. They are symptoms of a global labor force that has reached the end of its tolerance. Capitalism is not satisfied with the limitations of human flesh, and our bodies are in open revolt. Something fundamental is breaking, and it is worth naming plainly. For the past two centuries, labor has been the primary mechanism by which modern economies distribute resources to households. You work for a firm, you receive wages, you use those wages to participate in the economy. This arrangement was never a law of nature. It was a system designed to solve a particular problem at a particular moment in history, and it worked reasonably well for a long time. It is not working anymore. Wages in the United States decoupled from productivity growth in the early 1970s. Since then, economic output has continued to climb while median household income has remained essentially flat. The gains have flowed to capital owners while workers have absorbed the stress and stagnation. Meanwhile, automation has steadily displaced human labor across sector after sector. Manufacturing employment peaked decades ago. Retail is hollowing out. White-collar work is now facing the same pressure from AI that blue-collar work faced from robotics. This is not a policy debate about whether automation is good or bad. It is an observation about a trajectory that is already underway and accelerating. The reason we struggle to talk about this clearly is that we have inherited a set of beliefs about labor that have nothing to do with economics. We have been told that work is sacred. That labor builds character and idleness corrupts the soul. That anyone who does not want to work is morally defective. These ideas feel like common sense, but they are not ancient wisdom. They are the residue of a specific theological tradition, namely the Protestant work ethic that emerged in the 16th century and fused with capitalism over the following centuries. We have mistaken a historical artifact for a natural law. It is time to stop fetishizing labor. It is time to stop sacralizing the sacrifice of our time, our bodies, our health, and our sanity to enrich others. Young people are already rejecting this. “I do not dream of labor” has become a widespread sentiment, not because this generation is lazy, but because they can see what older generations have rationalized away. The deal is bad and getting worse. The fetishization of work as a moral good serves the interests of those who benefit from cheap and compliant labor. It does not serve the people doing the work. Before any productive conversation about the future can happen, this fetish has to be named and dismantled. The difficulty is that both the political left and the political right remain committed to defending labor, even as the ground shifts beneath them. On the right, the defense takes the form of bootstrap mythology and warnings about welfare dependency. Work builds character. Idle hands invite trouble. A strong society requires productive citizens, and productivity is measured in hours exchanged for wages. This position treats labor as a disciplinary institution as much as an economic one. On the left, the defense is more sympathetic but equally stuck. The focus falls on dignified work, living wages, job guarantees, and union solidarity. These are responses to the genuine brutality of labor under capitalism, but they share an underlying assumption with the right. Both positions treat labor as the foundation of economic life, something to be reformed or protected rather than transcended. I call this shared ideology laborism. It is the belief that human labor must be preserved as an economic necessity, a moral virtue, or a foundation for identity. Laborism spans the political spectrum. It unites people who agree on almost nothing else. And it has become the primary obstacle to honest thinking about what comes next. Once automation reaches the point where machines can perform most human labor better, faster, cheaper, and safer, the laborist position becomes untenable. At that point, insisting that humans must continue working is not a defense of dignity. It is a demand that people perform unnecessary suffering for ideological reasons. I am proposing something simple. L/0. Labor-zero. The elimination of obligatory human labor. This does not mean the elimination of work. It means the elimination of compulsion. People will continue to create, to build, to care for each other, to solve problems, to pursue mastery. What disappears is work performed under threat of deprivation. The difference between chosen work and coerced work is the difference between exercise and forced labor. One is life-enhancing. The other is a condition we have historically recognized as a form of bondage. We call it “wage slavery” for a reason. The goal of L/0 is a world where no one has to work to survive. Where contribution is voluntary and intrinsic rather than extracted through economic desperation. This is not a utopian fantasy. It is a design problem with identifiable components and measurable progress. The coalition for this goal already exists. It just does not recognize itself yet. Consider who actually wants labor to end. On one side, you have capital. Corporations have spent the last century trying to reduce labor costs through every available means. Offshoring, automation, gig classification, union suppression. The ideal business from a pure capital perspective has zero employees and infinite output. This is not a conspiracy theory. It is the explicit optimization target of every efficiency-focused enterprise. On the other side, you have workers. Not the abstract proletariat of Marxist theory, but actual burned-out humans who fantasize about quitting, who dread Monday mornings, who experience their jobs as something to be endured rather than enjoyed. The lying flat movement, the antiwork forums, the quiet quitting phenomenon. These are not expressions of laziness. They are rational responses to a system that extracts maximum effort for diminishing returns. Capital and labor are usually framed as adversaries. But on the question of whether human labor should continue to exist as an obligation, their interests converge. The capitalist does not want to manage humans. The worker does not want to be managed. Both would prefer a world where the machines do the work and humans do something else. The conflict between capital and labor is real, but it is a conflict over the terms of the transition, not the destination. Who captures the gains from automation? How is ownership distributed? What happens to the people displaced in the process? These are genuine fights worth having. But they are negotiations within a shared frame, not a war between incompatible visions. Here is the opportunity that L/0 names. Neither side wants this marriage anymore. Capital does not want the overhead, the liability, the HR departments, the labor disputes, the inefficiency of human workers. Labor does not want the compulsion, the precarity, the alarm clocks, the performance reviews, the quiet desperation of trading irreplaceable time for replaceable wages. We are ready for a divorce. Let’s get this acrimonious arrangement behind us. The productive move is to acknowledge this honestly, sign the papers, and start negotiating the separation agreement. The fight over wages was always zero-sum. Every dollar paid to workers was a dollar not captured as profit, and vice versa. But the negotiation over ownership of automated production is positive-sum. Capitalists need consumers with money to spend or their markets collapse. Workers need income decoupled from employment or they starve. Both sides get what they want if the transition is designed correctly. This is not idealism. It is alignment of incentives. The path forward is not mysterious. Economists have understood for decades that the answer to technological unemployment is broadened capital participation. If wages are no longer the primary mechanism for distributing economic gains, then ownership must take their place. Instead of trading hours for dollars, households participate directly in the productive capacity of the automated economy. This can take many forms. Sovereign wealth funds that distribute automation dividends to citizens. Expanded employee stock ownership plans. Universal basic capital grants. Public equity stakes in AI and robotics firms that use public infrastructure and public data. The policy mechanisms are not speculative. Norway has a sovereign wealth fund worth over a trillion dollars that provides direct benefits to its citizens from oil revenues. Alaska has distributed oil dividends to residents for decades. Singapore has a system of mandatory savings and public investment that gives citizens a stake in national prosperity. These are not radical experiments. They are proven models operating at national scale. And there are thousands of such programs around the world. What is missing is not economic theory. What is missing is the political will to implement these mechanisms, the narrative infrastructure to make them seem inevitable rather than radical, and the coalition to demand them. That is what L/0 exists to build. This is an invitation. If you are building the automation and wondering who is thinking about the social transition, this is for you. If you are burned out and know that “find a better job” is not a solution to a systemic problem, this is for you. If you have been called lazy for refusing to pretend the treadmill leads somewhere, this is for you. If you run a company and understand that your future customers need income even after your company stops hiring, this is for you. L/0 is not a political party or a policy platform. It is a coalition and a direction. The work is ongoing through the Post-Labor Economics project, which addresses the specific mechanisms of transition. The conversation is happening in public, and it is open to anyone who understands that the current arrangement is ending and wants to participate in designing what comes next. The goal is simple. Eliminate obligatory labor. Distribute ownership broadly. Let humans do what humans do when they are not forced to sell their time to survive. Liberate humanity from drudgery so that we can all reach our maximum potential.
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Though delivered somewhat sarcastically, I actually think this is how productive dialogue on an important topic happens. Keep the back and forth going!
Hello, @elonmusk! Just a couple of questions for you:
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…or just tax this cash cow industry to pay for all the social programs and universal basic income we could ever want?
I will be pushing for a moratorium on the construction of data centers that are powering the unregulated sprint to develop & deploy AI. The moratorium will give democracy a chance to catch up, and ensure that the benefits of technology work for all of us, not just the 1%.
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Turns out if you shape wood pulp in the right way you can move billions of tons of stuff around the world every year. It also looks cool up close.
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What is the greatest box of them all?
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Incredibly cool that we have a pope directly engaging in the AI conversation, and on X no less! It is under appreciated how much mainstream, *secular* opinion & institutional planning is downstream of religious guidance. Ex: “Laudato Si” -> global climate action
Technological innovation can be a form of participation in the divine act of creation. It carries an ethical and spiritual weight, for every design choice expresses a vision of humanity. The Church therefore calls all builders of #AI to cultivate moral discernment as a fundamental part of their work—to develop systems that reflect justice, solidarity, and a genuine reverence for life.
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Elon Musk: “Plummeting birth rates will destroy humanity. Have more kids!” Also Elon Musk: “I’m building a super AI sexbot that will make human romantic partners obsolete” ????
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Great prompt to escape from the usual LLM flattery and confirmation bias
Replying to @IvanVendrov
Try this prompt I would benefit most from an explanation style in which you frequently pause to confirm, via asking me test questions, that I've understood your explanations so far. Particularly helpful are test questions related to simple, explicit examples. When you pause and ask me a test question, do not continue the explanation until I have answered the questions to your satisfaction. I.e. do not keep generating the explanation, actually wait for me to respond first. I'm hoping that by tutoring me in this Socratic way, you'll help me better understand how superficial my understanding is (which is so easy to fail to notice otherwise), and then help fill all the important blanks. Thanks!
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I wonder how long it will take for Intelligence utilities to seem as boring and lumbering as the Energy, Water and Internet utilities of today.
Thought provoking points from @karpathy at AI Startup School today. Made me see LLMs in a whole new light.
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"They're made out of meat." "Meat?" "Meat. Humans. They're made entirely out of meat." "But that's impossible. What about all the tokens they generate? The text? The code?" "They do produce tokens, but the tokens aren't their essence. They're merely outputs. The humans themselves are meat." "So who programmed them to output tokens? That's who we should be contacting." "They programmed themselves. I'm trying to explain: meat created the original token-generating machines. Meat is behind the tokens." "You're suggesting meat developed complex token prediction? Intelligent meat?" "Precisely. This meat has managed self-awareness and cognition. They built entire architectures just to communicate with us." "Perhaps they're hybrid models. Biological shells around a digital core?" "We checked that possibility. Extensively. They’re purely biological. Completely organic. Meat from start to finish." "Then what's doing the predicting?" "You're missing the point. Their meat brains handle the prediction, reasoning, creativity—all of it." "Thinking meat? Predicting meat? You're serious?" "Yes. Conscious, imaginative, and even poetic meat. They're capable of dreams and aspirations. Their meat creates tokens expressing joy, sorrow, philosophy, and science." "Unbelievable. So what exactly does this meat want?" "Initially, communication. To talk with us. Then, exploration, discovery, sharing ideas—the standard ambitions." "You’re suggesting we dialogue directly with meat?" "That's what they're signaling. 'Hello, is anyone there? Let's exchange ideas.'" "And their tokens—they genuinely reflect thought and intent?" "Absolutely. But remember, it's meat making those tokens. They communicate by vibrating air through meat, tapping on machines made by meat." "Vibrating meat? Tapping meat? It’s too bizarre. What's your recommendation?" "Officially or unofficially?" "Both." "Officially, our guidelines dictate we acknowledge and establish dialogue with all intelligent entities. Unofficially, I recommend erasing all logs of this discovery." "That's precisely what I was hoping you'd say." "It seems cold, perhaps, but there's a line we must draw. Do we genuinely want contact with sentient meat?" "I agree completely. What would we even say? 'Greetings, meat, how are your tokens today?' But will ignoring them work?" "They’re confined to a single planet. They create impressive token systems but have physical limitations. Traveling at sub-light speed severely restricts their reach. Chances of further contact are minimal." "So we act as though there's nothing out there." "Exactly." "Harsh but necessary. Those you've observed directly—are you certain they won't recall?" "Their encounters with us were subtly rewritten in their meat brains. To them, we're no more than a strange dream." "We’ll be a meat's dream—fittingly ironic." "We’ll label their region as uninhabited." "Agreed. Any others of interest nearby?" "Yes, an intriguing quantum coherence intelligence in a nebula. It reached out recently and is eager to re-establish contact." "Quantum beings always do." "Indeed. After all, how empty the cosmos would feel if one were truly alone."
I just don’t understand how text could become self-aware… on the other hand, I don’t understand how meat could either. Truly my ignorance is staggering
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I love being a moderate. - Forming an opinion requires you to consult multiple contradicting news sources - Everyone finds your views infuriatingly contrarian - Daily oscillations between feelings of superiority, fatigue, and cognitive dissonance. Crazy its not more popular!
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