Replying to @dawkopi @yacinelearning
that definition makes sense if you look at examples reported by others: xitter.cf/TaraViswanathan/status…
Replying to @yacinelearning
not a question but relevant -- you can directly ask gpt5.5 what it means by "goblin";
it's more or less an incentive or "sub-agent"
(too late to edit, config matching mentioned results is: "16 epochs on a random subset of 3.2K* samples")
16 epochs on 400 samples yields:
83% -- AIME'24,
63% -- AIME'25,
66% -- GPQA.
So when does repetition stop helping?
Turns out token accuracy on training dataset is a pretty reliable signal for this. Once the model hits ~100% token accuracy on the training set, additional epochs don't bring further gains, which makes it a nice practical stopping criterion.
Part of the story here is termination rate. Models trained with more epochs are much better at concluding their reasoning.
With 1 epoch on 51K samples and a token limit of 32K, the model only concludes 24% of the time.
With 32 epochs on 1600 samples, that jumps to 89%.
When training Olmo-3 7B on Dolci SFT dataset, 16 epochs on a random subset of 400 samples leads to:
80% (pass@16) on AIME'24,
63% on AIME'25,
62% on GPQA;
while one epoch on over 51K samples yields:
47% -- AIME'24,
50% -- AIME'25,
24% -- GPQA.
Common knowledge in ML: more unique training data → better generalization. Turns out this doesn't hold for long-CoT SFT.
Under a fixed update budget, repeating a small dataset multiple times beats training on more unique samples. And it's not even close.
Replying to @DimitrisPapail
a bit late reply, but, doing multiple epochs in SFT seems to solve this issue: arxiv.org/abs/2602.11149
The approach you mentioned is equivalent to the "Naive Bidir." variant from the ablation study in the paper - we can see that it improves results over the baseline (fully causal decoder-only model):
Then we have the Flan-T5 paper (arxiv.org/abs/2210.11416) that tested different architectures and objectives, with prefix-lm (Flan-U-PaLM) being the strongest model.
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