A lot of hype around OpenAI's Astra model here on my timeline today. Apparently, this goes back to a new article from The Information, which said Astra is a "recurrent depth or looped transformer". It's always interesting to read about new or different approaches (including rumors about what the closed labs may be up to), but let's debunk this a bit. About 2 months ago, I shared the architecture details of Nanbeige, for example, where "Nanbeige4.2-3B is pretrained from scratch on 28T tokens with a Looped Transformer that reuses the layer stack to increase capacity without adding parameters." Yes, that's it. The looped transformer idea is just reusing layers in the transformer block. In the case of Nanbeige, the main idea is to reuse the same 22-layer stack (=transformer block) twice instead of once. So, effectively it extends the 22-layer architecture to 44 layers, but without duplicating the weights. In simple terms, this roughly doubles the size of the model (if we ignore the embedding and output layers for a second). But instead of requiring 2x the storage and RAM to host this model, it stays at the same size since we reuse the components. However, it's almost 2x as expensive in terms of compute, because we run the embedded text through almost 2x as many layers. Why? In the Nanbeige 4.2 technical report, the researchers found that two passes gave the best trade-off and retained about 75% of the token efficiency of a standard architecture. (More passes gave barely any gains but made the training much slower and much more expensive.) While, as far as I know, Nanbeige 4.2 is the first notable open-weight model that adopted this approach, the idea goes back to the NeurIPS paper "Mixture-of-recursions: Learning dynamic recursive depths for adaptive token-level computation". Actually, this paper proposes a mechanism that is a bit more sophisticated by adding a learned router that determines whether each token receives one, two, or more passes. So, easy tokens can exit early while harder tokens receive additional computation. In sum, Astra may be a really good model, but this shouldn't be about this "looped transformer aspect," which is just a tiny architectural tweak. Also, the statement "the new technique works in a way that obscures some or all of the AI's reasoning, otherwise known as 'chain-of-thought'" is not necessarily true with respect to the looped transformer method. It's possible that The Information journalist refers to some other technique or misunderstood the looped transformer method. Reusing layers does not by itself suppress visible chain of thought. It adds computation in hidden states before the next token is emitted, just as ordinary transformer layers do. But based on the information we have, the only plausible interpretation here is that if a model uses more of these recurrent passes, it may need to generate fewer intermediate reasoning tokens. So then more of its computation happens in latent activations that cannot be read as text. But we would get the same effect if we were scaling up the model size, like GPT 5.6 Luna -> GPT 5.6 Sol.

The Kimi K3 architecture figure for yesterday's big open-weight model release, along with some observations and thoughts. 1. Yes, it looks relatively complicated, but it's essentially a scaled-up production version of their Kimi Linear model they released last year (scaled up from 48B -> 2.8T; K3 is by far the biggest open-weight model right now) 2. The one new component compared to Kimi Linear is the LatentMoE. I omitted it in the figure below since it's already very crowded, but that's essentially the same LatentMoE as in Nemotron 3 Ultra (you can find it in my LLM Architecture Gallery if you are curious). The idea here is to compress (down-project) large linear layers similar to multi-head latent attention. 3. Kimi K3's overall trend (similar to Nemotron 3, DeepSeek V4, and others) is also towards better inference efficiency. That is, there are many components that replace existing components with efficiency-tweaked versions. I.e., MoE -> LatentMoE, regular attention -> multi-head latent attention and Kimi Delta Attention. (I also have short tutorials and write-ups in my gallery if you are curious about additional details). 4. The one component change that is not an efficiency tweak is attention residuals. Like DeepSeek V4 improved the residual path with mHC (manifold-constrained Hyper-Connections), attention residuals are a way to improve the residual path, but it works a bit differently. I.e., mHC made the residual path wider. Attention residuals (also already part of Kimi Linear) connect the residuals across layers; the connection itself uses an attention score for an important/contribution weight. According to the report, it improves the validation loss and downstream performance (a bit) consistently and adds about 4% in training cost and 2% in inference cost. 5. Interestingly, Kimi K3 got rid of all RoPE layers and uses NoPE (No Positional Embeddings) everywhere instead. (Again, this is inherited from Kimi Linear). In other architectures, the recent trend was towards RoPE in local attention layers (like sliding window attention) and NoPE in the global layers. There were a few architectures that only used NoPE everywhere, but this is the first frontier-level one as far as I know. 6. Kimi K3 now also has native multimodal support, which is great! There are several other interesting training tidbits in the technical report, but that's it from the architecture front so far. A really great release overall.