
Co-founder @EgoScale | Teaching robots to see through human eyes šļø Building the real-world data engine for embodied AI.
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Building EgoScale: real-world human egocentric data for robot learning.
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One million hours and still scaling.
The important signal here is scaling human experience transfers to robot intelligence.
This is why we believe large-scale, diverse real-world egocentric data will become a fundamental training layer for physical intelligence.
Today we are introducing Dyna-2, a world-action model pre-trained on one million hours of human video. At this scale, for the first time, we discovered several new scaling laws:
⢠world-action models exhibit scaling law on human data across four orders of magnitude, from 1000 to 1,000,000 hours,
⢠this human data scaling law implied a scaling law on never seen robot data,
⢠both data and objective matter; world modeling and scaling on video data are essential for cross-embodiment scaling transfer to emerge
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The value of real-world robotics data is not any single perfect demonstration. It is the variation across thousands of imperfect, natural interactions.
Different people, environments, objects, tools, workflows, and ways of completing the same task.
These are raw egocentric videos captured from real human behaviorānot scripted lab demonstrations.
We believe this diversity is what gives downstream models a better chance to generalize beyond the training set.
Explore more samples: egoscale.com/datasets
Really exciting direction. As robot memory grows, datasets also need to become long-horizonāpreserving actions, interactions, and temporal continuity rather than isolated moments.
We scaled robot policies to 8K timesteps of visuomotor context, orders of magnitude beyond current SoTAs, at constant inference latency.
Introducing RoboTTT š¤
With minutes of experience in context, our robots:
š„ one-shot imitate human video demos
š improve themselves during deployment
š”ļø recover from perturbations
āļø complete a 5-minute, 10-stage assembly end to end
š research.nvidia.com/labs/geaā¦
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Human behavior isn't just something to watchāit's something to structure.
The future of robotics won't be built on raw videos alone. It will be built on data that preserves actions, interactions, context, and intent in a form robots can actually learn from.
That's exactly what we're building at @EgoScale
Human behavior contains far more than pixels.
Every interaction can be transformed into structured, robot-ready data.
At EgoScale, we collect, process, and deliver large-scale egocentric datasets for robotics, VLA models, and embodied AIāincluding video, annotations, metadata, and robot-ready data assets.
Looking for off-the-shelf datasets or custom data collection?
š egoscale.com
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This thesis is even more obvious in robotics. The internet captured language and code, but not how humans physically interact with the world: hands, tools, contact, failures, recovery, and long-horizon tasks.
Physical AI needs its own data infrastructure.
A Stargate for Data
Labs are on a trajectory towards >$100B/year of data spend by 2030. As we begin the trillion-dollar compute project, we need to think about the equivalent civilizational-scale effort for the other core ingredient: data.
At the foundation of the scaling revolution is a simple empirical law: deep neural networks improve smoothly, near magically, as you scale two things in proportion ā (1) the size of the model and (2) the amount of data you train on. And despite the scaling laws being brutally diminishing, weāve successfully bitten the bullet of logarithmic scaling with exponentially larger clusters and datasets, and received incredible new capabilities in return.
But this exponential scaling is bound to hit some limits. Oddly enough, compute has compounded fairly smoothly without limit, with trillions flowing into hypercluster buildout. Instead, weāre starting to hit the limits of an exponential demand for data. Gone are the days of being purely in the compute-limited regime, where we had effectively infinite internet data but never enough GPUs, weāre now entering a data-limited regime.
Luckily, this limitation is coinciding with staggering improvements in AI capabilities. Incredibly, we seem to have a real line of sight towards automating a majority of knowledge work with the methods we have today. RL + pretraining, and the data for each, will be generally sufficient to achieve most economically valuable tasks, given some minimal algorithmic progress and continued compute scaling.
In a data-limited world, economic progress & scientific acceleration will be directly bottlenecked by our coverage in each domain. We need to see data collection as imperative, deserving the same civilizational ambition weāve given compute.
The internet as a one-time subsidy
Itās underrated how much all progress in AI owes everything to the blessing of the internet, this one-time civilizational subsidy to deep learning, decades of unintentional accumulation of a perfect dataset: every book, blog post, image, video, paper, discussion, etc. all digitized and freely available. Without the internet, weād likely see comparably minimal progress in AI today, and in fact, if you notice where systems currently underperform, itās almost always a domain where web coverage is limited and data is private, expensive, non-digitized, or non-existent.
But weāre running out of it. There are only about 300 trillion tokens of useful public human text, and the internet doesnāt produce nearly enough new high-quality data to match what scaling demands ā weāre soon to hit the limits of public data for pretraining. And though the advent of RL bought us reprieve ā chain-of-thought RL needed a new form of untapped data, gradable math & coding tasks, also available online ā weāre quickly running dry of hard tasks for RL as well.
Why do we need so much data anyways? Humans learn comparably in far less time, needing just one textbook where language models might need the equivalent of hundreds to learn a new topic. Itās possible we discover methods that are massively more data efficient ā synthetic data, data efficient architectures, other exotic algorithms ā but fundamental progress is slow and highly unpredictable, and the recipe we have just works today.
And, while Iām wary of getting too deep here, even arbitrary data efficiency canāt replace data that just doesnāt exist in the first place. Thereās a massive amount of missing information on the web: the dark matter of the internet ā tacit knowledge, undocumented processes, etc. ā most of which was never published and lives only inside organizations, the physical world, or just in peopleās heads. Iāll leave it here and say, for reasons far longer than I can fit in this post [1], itās best to operate on the assumption that our insatiable desire for data will continue as it has for the last decade.
There will be >$100B/year in data spend by 2030
Weāre not screwed yet, of course. Only a fraction of useful data in the world is on the public internet, the rest is stored inside private datasets, corporations, personal archives, universities, governments, and otherwise. Labs can and will continue to license these private datasets, or create them from scratch, like Anthropicās book scanning project. And weāll increasingly task human experts to manufacture new high-quality data, with a large fraction of hard RL training tasks already being sourced this way.
But collecting this data, unlike before, will be expensive. As the free internet dries up and demand for data rises, we should see labs investing equally in data as compute, likely spending a significant fraction of their compute budgets on data. As we see trillions spent on compute, we should also expect hundreds of billions spent on data (human data & collection budgets), given their equivalent importance. And, notably, data spend is already tracking this way: total data spend across vendors, not counting internal lab efforts, is already roughly $7 billion per year. Itās quite reasonable weāll see >10x by 2030.
Data is the moat
Data becoming increasingly private will also majorly shift the competitive landscape. While compute is a commodity ā everyone buys the same chips and builds the same clusters ā data really isnāt. The big reason why frontier models have felt eerily similar to one another, until now, is they were trained on substantially the same internet (pretraining data variability across labs seems pretty low). As labs diverge onto more exclusive, manually collected corpora, I think models will begin to increasingly diverge.
OpenAI pulling ahead in mathematics and Anthropic in cybersecurity isnāt an accident. I really think laser-focused collection of high-quality midtraining tokens, custom RL tasks, environments, with dedicated research effort, has driven much of the visible progress in the last year. James Betker has an excellent blog about āthe āitā in a model is the datasetā: model architecture and compute buy you efficiency and order-of-magnitude performance, but ultimately, models, of any architecture, are such incredible approximators of their dataset that the core meat of a model boils down to just that, nothing else. Data is a major moat.
AGI long, ASI short
As Iāve tweeted before, Iām confident that, despite the narrative, the data labeling industry will continue to fuel great businesses and be an excellent AGI long, ASI short. The argument is just: By the time the AGI labs no longer need data, itās probably over for everything else too [2]. In this frame, the last companies left should be the data companies, as the last speck of economically relevant data is sucked in. And these companies are already among some of the fastest-growing companies in history: Mercor, founded three years ago, is rumored to be doing $2 billion in revenue with something like a few million expert labelers under contract.
While these businesses are very non-stationary, what type of data is needed shifts constantly, I donāt think that diminishes their value. The long-tail of the economy is long, and the value isnāt diminishing as you extend farther into more obscure information: as models get more capable, the value of the marginal dataset goes up, not down. Automating a full job means covering its full distribution of tasks, tools, edge-cases, and long-horizon loops. Thereās some O-ring logic to it: a dataset that buys a 1% bump can justify a previously unjustifiable collection cost when itās the difference between a system that does 99% of a job and one that does all of it [3].
The competitive dynamics of the data industry are still evolving but as demand for data is increasingly niche, ultra high-quality, expert-generated, I think weāll see real consolidation. Again, contra-narrative, weāll probably see true competitive differentiation built on brand, quality control of data (which, from personal experience, can vary massively), as well as in network effects from the talent networks themselves over time. Weāve already seen rapidly shifting data type demand work in favor of incumbents, benefiting those with early knowledge of where the market is headed.
The binding constraint
Itās truly remarkable that we seem to have the recipe ā pretraining + RL ā to absorb most economically valuable work, despite being far from a lot of what we expected from āAGIā. The same way chess engines revealed we never needed general intelligence to solve chess, as we originally thought, weāll soon realize that software, mathematics, and the vast majority of the economy (including physical, just running ~3 years behind!) are the same. If recursive self-improvement or some other algorithmic breakthrough arrives, thatās wonderful, but we really donāt have to wait for it. The binding constraint between here and an automated economy isnāt that, itās data coverage: every app, workflow, edge case, process, etc. sitting in private stores or someoneās head.
Ultimately, while we make tremendous strides in more efficient model architectures, and clusters like Stargate equip us with zettaflop-scale compute, we really arenāt making rapid progress collecting the data we lack.
Weāll soon live in a world where we have the methods & compute to accelerate scientific progress or economic growth, but not the data. And weāre already there today: frontier models would surely be as good at accounting/many medical tasks/legal advice as they are at software engineering if we only had the same pretraining & RL coverage as we did for code.
I really want to drill this in: The speed at which we automate the economy is going to be directly rate-limited by our ability to collect data about it.
Worth noting that under this assumption, with data as defensible and directly proportional to economic & scientific progress, data should also be considered a national strategic asset like compute. Imagine what weād do in a world where we had a Manhattan Project-effort for AI and needed to mobilize data collection as a limiting factor. We should be concerned about China, with greater state capacity and authoritarian economic control, being capable of mobilizing data collection at national scale, potentially compounding their economy and scientific output faster than us down the line.
A Stargate for data
Iām leaving my complete ideas for a future post, as this one is already far too long, so Iād really like to pose the question here. Stargate exists because we organized trillions of dollars, international strategy, gigawatts around compute as a fundamental ingredient. What would equivalent ambition look like for data?
Obviously, scaling data collection, a heterogeneous mass of information across the economy, isnāt going to be as clear as scaling compute, as a homogenous infrastructural effort. A core division will be first, coverage ā all uncaptured knowledge sitting across the economy/science/physical world and all that simply isnāt recorded ā and, secondly, sheer volume in the domains we already train on: more hard math tasks, more high-quality web text, way more coding data, more legal drafts, etc.
I have a post coming soon which breaks down my proposals. Thereās a lot of room for creativity. Quickly, weāll probably want to start with a deep census of what we have and what weāre missing, predict what the 2030 model will still be bad at and work backward to what we should be collecting today. You can probably license a large amount, leveraging high lab valuations to buy datasets or companies altogether. Thereās an adversarial nature to a lot of this collection with firms, so thereās lots of engineering to do this correctly. We should go convince important companies to turn off deletion policies, even if weāre not buying from them yet. Data flywheels in consumer products will be massive. Confidential training, government legislation for grant-funded research, running companies at a loss for their data, etc.
Weāre headed towards hundreds of billions in expenditure, national prioritization, and major data limitation on the horizon. We have a great opportunity to think creatively about what a megaproject for data would look like: How do we, deliberately this time, construct the next internetās worth of data?
Footnotes:
[1]: Iāll probably soon publish my much longer post explaining my position on data efficiency and why the value of this data is still pretty high in most worlds regardless of new algorithms.
[2]: The āAGI freerollā bet: heads you win, tails ASI flips the world upside down anyways.
[3]: We already see a glint of validation of this point, given the data market is strongly tilting towards ultra-high-quality agentic data, rather than unskilled labeling ā niche expert workflows, live environments, and evaluations requiring increasingly obscure talent & knowledge ā yet shows increasing, not decreasing, revenues.
This is exactly why egocentric human data matters.
Before robots can act well in the real world, they need to understand how humans interact with objects, tools, and environments at scale.
DreamDojo is a strong signal for where robot world models are heading.
What happens when robot world models learn from human experience at scale? š¤
DreamDojo from NVIDIA Research is a generalist robot world model pretrained on 44K hours of egocentric human videos and then post-trained on robot data to generalize across new objects and environments.
After distillation, it runs at 10 FPS for live teleoperation, policy evaluation, and model-based planning.
Read the ICML paper to learn more š nvda.ws/3TlTCaw
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Introducing Depth Estimation with NVIDIAās FoundationStereoāa new open tutorial and codebase for metric depth sensing using Project Aria Gen 2 devices.
ā”ļø Real-time ready (20 FPS)
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ā”ļøStereo image rectification and disparity estimation
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Check out the code and tutorial: github.com/facebookresearch/ā¦
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There are moments when an idea suddenly opens into a much larger world.
That feeling is hard to describe.
But it is exactly why I love building.
Markets rarely recognize infrastructure early.
At first, it looks too operational, too slow, too messy.
Then one day, the category gets a name.
And suddenly it becomes obvious.
Conviction is quiet before consensus.
Weāre working with leading robotics to define what high-quality, diverse, real-world action data should look like for embodied AI.
I've started companies my whole adult life. Sold TWO of them.
Then I fell in love with building itself.
And I realized: in the age of AGI, the real bottleneck isn't the model.
It's the fuel.
So we spent 2025 building the full stack.
Hardware. Collection pipeline. Incentive systems. Data processing. Human QA.
And here's what we learned from top researchers in Silicon Valley:
This is exactly what VLA models are starving for.
Hot take: the bottleneck is no longer access to egocentric video.
The real bottleneck is turning raw Egocentric behavior into training-ready data for robotics.
More video doesnāt automatically mean more usable data.
We recently refreshed our website at egoscale.com, with a few concrete examples of the data layer we believe robotics will need next.








