I am done discussing doctrine with Calvanists. Calvanism is a blight that makes its adherents forget that he sovereignly decreed to create a universe where not everything is decreed. AKA: a universe where free will and voluntary true mercy can actually exist and are NOT a mere illusion. He paid a terrible price just to create said universe, and Calvanism seeks to take that away. Giving us exhaustive determinism but... with sin! By so doing, Calvanism turns God into a cosmic fiend. It is a demonic and unbiblical theology that pollutes and distorts the reputation of Christ in this world. It hamstrings evangelism and insulates the those in its clutches from taking any Godly action. I do not think it accurate or wise to call those deep into this deception "brothers." More like "captives." These doctrines are utterly Abhorrent! May those captured by them find deliverance.

@realJennaEllis , I agree that the conversation with Dinesh started as you described it. There is no conspiracy. But I believe there is an organic shift happening that this conversation highlights. Worldwide there is a trend toward more orthodox or "traditional" understandings of the Bible. I cannot speak for everyone, but for me it came from reading the Bible...without overlaying preconceived doctrines onto what it actually says. The organic shift is likely triggered by multiple factors in my opinion (keeping in mind the Nationalist Populist movement requires action, agency, and a sense that actions matter): 1) Isolation: people feel isolated by technology, mega churches, and latte serving institutions that don't demand any rigorous spiritual discipline or mutual accountability. 2) Men especially (but women too) are looking for purpose. As such, the message of "the only thing that matters is what you think, not what you do" is no longer resonating. A more robust faith - accompanied by faith-infused action is desired. 3) Dispensationalism, with its focus on Israel is questioned and falling out of favor - likely triggered by current events. People like me are trying to balance a love for the Jewish people with questions about supporting the Israeli (globalist secular) government. 4) Men (and many women) who desire action and purpose are ready to step up provided they believe their actions actually shape events, and are tired of being told their actions don't matter, "everything is predetermined." Or, "just wait, Jesus will scoop us out of here before anything hard happens." 5) Modernity is empty. People want something ancient. Reformed evangelicalism has become modern. 6) Unity. Chaos and divisions result from lack of authority. People are seeking unity and authority. Part of that unity comes from embracing a God of love, not one who picks favorites. But love includes tough love and OSAS as a free ticket is repulsive to a definition of God who is a loving parent who requires growth, not stagnation. 7) Dwindling church attendence is highlighting the need for something more, thus making the reformed doctrines prevelent in the American church worthwhile to at least question. In short, this is not fueled by weak people looking for anything their itching ears want to hear, but empty people looking for Truth and a challenge. In walks you and Dinesh. Openly questioning Calvinism, and thousands of us saying, "its about time." In my view Calvanism has been the cause of much stagnation in the church and pride, whether intentional or not. It is repulsive to potential converts that they may be "goats" unworthy to be saved and hamstrings lived out faith, making the process of santification secondary and unecessary (whether intentionally or not). Both of these things need to change if we want to see any real movement toward Revival in this world. We need more people to believe in Jesus, and more people engaged, drawing close to him, not apathetic.

Worldwide there is a trend toward more orthodox or "traditional" understandings of the Bible. I cannot speak for everyone, but for me it came from reading the Bible...without overlaying preconceived doctrines onto what it actually says. But Broadly, yes, I believe there is an organic shift triggered by multiple factors in my opinion: 1) Isolation: people feel isolated by technology, mega churches, and latte serving institutions that don't demand any rigorous spiritual discipline or mutual accountability. 2) Men are looking for purpose. As such, the message of "the only thing that matters is what you think, not what you do" is no longer resonating. A more robust faith - accompanied by faith-infused action is desired. 3) dispensationalism, with its focus on Israel is questioned and falling out of favor - likely triggered by current events. 4) Men who desire action and purpose are ready to step up provided they believe their actions actually shape events, and are tired of being told their actions don't matter, "everything is predetermined." Or, "just wait, Jesus will scoop us out of here before anything hard happens." 5) Modernity is empty. People want something ancient. Reformed evangelicalism has become modern. 6) Unity. Chaos and divisions result from lack of authority. People are seeking unity and authority. Part of that unity comes from embracing a God of love, not one who picks favorites. But love includes tough love and OSAS as a free ticket is repulsive to a definition of God who is a loving parent who requires growth, not stagnation. 7) Dwindling church attendence is highlighting the need for something more, thus making the reformed doctrines prevelent in the American church worthwhile to at least question. In short, this is not fueled by weak people looking for anything their itching ears want to hear, but empty people looking for Truth and a challenge. In walks Dinesh. Openly questioning Calvinism, and thousands of us saying, "its about time." In my view Calvanism has been the cause of much stagnation in the church and pride, whether intentional or not. It is repulsive to potential converts that they may be "goats" unworthy to be saved and hamstrings lived out faith, making the process of santification secondary and unecessary (whether intentionally or not).