Ryen: “Look, I know everyone’s going to do the thing where they say camo is lame now. But are we going to pretend like it isn’t also pretty cool? I just wonder if we’ve just swung too far the other way on camo now, to where people aren’t willing to even admit that they like it, even though they do” Simmons: “and then there’s the hoodie piece” Ryen: “wait, what?” Bill: “I just mean if you were doing the pantheon of outwear, hoodies are easily in the top 7. I’m sorry, they just are!”