About 66L Everyone who's stuck with Rising has mostly accepted it, but I think that tolerance has also blinded some people into forgetting how polarizing such a mechanic is to newer players It's so integral to the design though, that understanding the counterplay/mitigation is vital in appreciating Rising's aggressive nature in contrast to Vanilla's slower pacing Even with understanding of the counterplay though, that kind of game design isn't for everyone, and that's okay. If you're interested in Rising though, I think it's well worth trying to get over that hurdle at least