Cards vs stablecoins for agentic payments? Both. And here is why. @cuysheffield (@Visa Crypto) and @0xfishylosopher (@PanteraCapital) join our Stateful podcast, hosted by @masonnystrom. In this episode, they cover everything at the intersection of payments, AI, and crypto: - Stablecoin supply up 40%, adjusted volume up 90% in 2025 and still accelerating - The AI mullet: cards in the front, stablecoins in the back - Vibe coders are the most exciting customer segment on the planet. One human companies are coming. - Kill the API key: wallet identity over X402 and MPP is a 10x better developer experience - Why cards are the best way for agents to pay and be paid. 01:08 How Stablecoins Grew 40% in 2025 02:42 Why Stablecoins Work Like Cards 04:16 Visa's Payment Infrastructure Play 05:14 Permissionless vs Vertical Stablecoin Networks 07:32 Agentic Payments: Real vs Hype 09:04 x402: The Agenctic Inflection Point 09:30 Killing API Keys With Wallets 13:00 Building for the Vibe Coder 14:54 Cards vs Crypto: The Real Debate 16:50 What Actually Works for Builders 18:49 Cross-Chain Payment Infrastructure 21:36 Keys, Wallets & User Experience 24:36 Future of Autonomous Payments 29:13 What Gets Builders Most Excited 34:31 Agentic Payment Holy Grails