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lol they're still alive and kicking it
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been saying this over and over most of the public web has been scraped. the real alpha for frontier model training is shifting toward private, proprietary, and long-tail data, much of which targets specific model weaknesses since the baseline is already the entire public web we're seeing this firsthand with buyers coming in with increasingly specific requests as they hillclimb performance on niche problems think OpenAI pushing mathematical reasoning, but across medicine, law, finance, robotics, and other specialized domains volume is no longer the differentiator. it’s about finding the exact data that closes a capability gap, especially data nobody else has access to expect massive capex going into novel data acquisition in 2027 as labs compete to solve increasingly narrow problems
Catching up with labs and data vendors lately, the same thing keeps coming up: labs now pay most for data on what their models get wrong. Volume got cheap. Models generate their own code, sim scenes and tasks now. The deals go to data aimed at a weak spot, or data nobody else has. 1. Meta, Nvidia and AWS are buying sim data from Physicl, a Paris startup that just raised a $10M seed. It's built only around scenes their robot models get wrong, like odd lighting or objects they've never seen. 2. 4 of the top 5 US closed labs pay Halluminate, a 9-person team, for finance RL environments like PE due diligence. On its test the best of 7 frontier models averaged 51%. 3. Google paid $10M for a bankrupt airline's 100M emails and 500M Teams messages, and outbid Mercor to get it. Heard exclusive deals like that run 4-5x non-exclusive ones. The data vendors I'd watch find failures before the lab does, or own something nobody else can sell. If you sell data to labs: are you getting paid for volume or for failures?
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been saying this over and over most of the public web has been scraped. the real alpha for frontier model training is shifting toward private, proprietary, and long-tail data, much of which targets specific model weaknesses since the baseline is already the entire public web we're seeing this firsthand with buyers coming in with increasingly specific requests as they hillclimb performance on niche problems think OpenAI pushing mathematical reasoning, but across medicine, law, finance, robotics, and other specialized domains volume is no longer the differentiator. it’s about finding the exact data that closes a capability gap, especially data nobody else has access to expect massive capex going into novel data acquisition in 2027 as labs compete to solve increasingly narrow problems
Catching up with labs and data vendors lately, the same thing keeps coming up: labs now pay most for data on what their models get wrong. Volume got cheap. Models generate their own code, sim scenes and tasks now. The deals go to data aimed at a weak spot, or data nobody else has. 1. Meta, Nvidia and AWS are buying sim data from Physicl, a Paris startup that just raised a $10M seed. It's built only around scenes their robot models get wrong, like odd lighting or objects they've never seen. 2. 4 of the top 5 US closed labs pay Halluminate, a 9-person team, for finance RL environments like PE due diligence. On its test the best of 7 frontier models averaged 51%. 3. Google paid $10M for a bankrupt airline's 100M emails and 500M Teams messages, and outbid Mercor to get it. Heard exclusive deals like that run 4-5x non-exclusive ones. The data vendors I'd watch find failures before the lab does, or own something nobody else can sell. If you sell data to labs: are you getting paid for volume or for failures?
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haven't had an openai reset in a few days, what's going on?? they were handing them out like candy
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Your Agents Need Context **To be clear, I don't think @yrechtman is wrong, and we've discussed this privately. As we're in the middle of a raise (no, you can't participate) and this article has come up a few times in the last several days, I'm sharing my thoughts publicly.** First off - on selling the tasks vs. the corpus. I think it's a position rooted in today's current reality. But at the same time, I question what the moat is for RL Labs more generally. AI systems are tools for solving complex problems very fast. Turning a corpus into tasks, and tasks into an environment, is a complex problem, indeed. But its mostly a software problem - and that's also the one area (as we know) where the current models are already at their best. At this point, frontier labs are looking at RL Labs as a bet on labor savings - and labor margin is not a moat. The labs will internalize this work when it is worth their time, or when their security posture demands it. Both are already happening (see Google's Mechanize deal). But where I really think Yoni's framing could be augmented is with respect to agents (I have an article in my drafts called "Don't forget your agents"). While Yoni points out the path from corpus to environments, there is a second way to use and sell data - which is to literally put it in front of the model at the moment it is doing the work. In context. At inference time. And if AI systems are tools for solving complex problems very fast, then the constraint on the tool is what it knows about the problem in front of it. Earlier this year @jasonscui and @JenniferHli wrote a great article about this here: a16z.com/your-data-agents-ne…. by their account - enterprises pointed agents at their data stakes and hit a wall - not because the models were weak, but because the agents lacked context. Agents are essentially useless without the right context. And it's not only business context that an agent will need. It's run-of-the-mill stuff. Like weather and CDC data when making your next retail trade (imagine being short bullish on Six Flags during hurricane season), political sentiment data when placing your next trade on Kalshi, or traffic data when scheduling a flight to JFK. If an agent gets these economically valuable tasks wrong because it doesn't have the right data - what's missing is not the RL environment, but the corpus - the raw data. Think of it another way - alot of what we as humans do is based on ingrained context. Think of it another way - alot of what we as humans do is based on ingrained context. We know to talk to a customer or two before starting a company or an off-the-shelf dataset marketplace (at least some people do), we know not to fall in love with Chinese spies (at least some people do), we know....alot of things. Now run the same logic across every facet of what's economically valuable. And much of what an agent needs to do real work is somebody else's private data: a supplier's price list, a counterparty's history, a dataset sitting inside a company that has never thought of itself as a data vendor. Most of that data is never going to be sold into anyone's weights. And unlike an environment, this isn't work a lab can pull in-house. But it can be licensed for use - on a consumption basis - with a record of every call and a switch to turn it off. This is already happening. LSEG, S&P Global and FactSet now serve licensed data straight to agents over MCP. None of that is a training deal. It's retrieval, under license, at the moment of the question. Training happens once per model. Context happens once per task. That's why I think in-context, inference-time retrieval of private data is the civilizational-scale tooling here. Yoni ends his piece with: "The next corpus is the whole economy." I'd reframe: "Context is the whole economy."
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PlanFalcon is now listed on @Trybrickroad 🏗️ UK planning apps, tenders and contract awards, scraped nightly from 360 councils and turned into sales-ready leads for groundworks, drainage, SuDS and highways subbies. #ConstructionTech #UKConstruction #PlanningApplications
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here's an example of the queries we see from our public good org on our platform (btw customer queries averaged 41 words and 6.4 criteria count over the last 90 days across eligible requests) people aren't looking for “parcel delivery data”, they are looking for: “Scraped FedEx and UPS peak-season surcharge and dimensional-weight tariff schedules, 3PL invoice panels of billed cost per package and accessorial realization, retailer free-shipping threshold scrapes covering US parcel cost inflation, weekly 2024-2027; Cass shipments-versus-expenditures falsifier”
most of the public web has been scraped already, the alpha for frontier model training data is in private or long tail sources you'll see huge capex being thrown into novel in 2027 data acquisition we're already seeing really specific requests from our buyers as they're trying to hillclimb niche problems -- think openai with their math problem solving but across medical, legal, etc.
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here's an example of the queries we see from our public good org on our platform (btw customer queries averaged 41 words and 6.4 criteria count over the last 90 days across eligible requests) people aren't looking for “parcel delivery data”, they are looking for: “Scraped FedEx and UPS peak-season surcharge and dimensional-weight tariff schedules, 3PL invoice panels of billed cost per package and accessorial realization, retailer free-shipping threshold scrapes covering US parcel cost inflation, weekly 2024-2027; Cass shipments-versus-expenditures falsifier”
most of the public web has been scraped already, the alpha for frontier model training data is in private or long tail sources you'll see huge capex being thrown into novel in 2027 data acquisition we're already seeing really specific requests from our buyers as they're trying to hillclimb niche problems -- think openai with their math problem solving but across medical, legal, etc.
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most of the public web has been scraped already, the alpha for frontier model training data is in private or long tail sources you'll see huge capex being thrown into novel in 2027 data acquisition we're already seeing really specific requests from our buyers as they're trying to hillclimb niche problems -- think openai with their math problem solving but across medical, legal, etc.
being in the data industry for two weeks made me realize how fragmented, slow, and early it still is
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the biggest bottleneck here is exactly as caden says the whole flow is fragmented and difficult to navigate from data source discovery to licensing and legal to actual procurement and payment most providers only solve one of these, and anyone calling themselves data brokers will really only do the discovery and try to take 15% from you you can save a lot more and get the exact data you want a lot faster with a full-service platform (very few)
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it's a huge market, but not everyone can help the full pipeline we've helped with probably >$5M in deals in the last few months
Anyone actually got paid by micro1/mercor for selling their data? Just curious
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ok, @t3dotcodes is cooking with this my factory scale is going to skyrocket should have 1 more machine on there but prob need to reconfig
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this is why thariq left
I lead product for Claude subscriptions. Today we're renaming our Max plans, and I want to explain why. When we launched our top plan in April 2025, it had a single limit: 5 hours. It gave you 20x Pro's limit, so we called it Max 20x. When we added weekly limits to Max 20x, we set them to 10x Pro's (the 5-hour limit stayed at 20x). I get that some new users assumed 20x applied to both limits. We could have done better here, and I'm sorry. The Ultra plan keeps the weekly limit (10x Pro), but we're removing the 5-hour limit so you can keep building without getting blocked mid-session. This starts today and rolls out in stages. To help prevent fraud and abuse, a temporary limit applies until we've verified your account. You'll get an email when your limit is removed. We've got more cooking and can't wait to share it. Thanks for building with Claude 🙏
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been working on this for a bit we've launched zero data retention (ZDR) mode on Brickroad to a few enterprise customers our quant customers want to find alpha without giving away what they're looking for for example, after google's earnings yesterday: "how exposed is google cloud's order book to AI customers running out of money?"
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3/ the workflow is pretty simple find data across the web with Brickroad bring what you need into your own research setup when the run finishes, delete the query through the API that removes the linked query records, agent data and snapshots results stay until you delete them existing exports, backups and hosting metadata have separate retention rules
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4/ we're also went through our third-party processors what do they receive? what do they keep? when do they delete it? what exceptions sit behind their ZDR label? "we don't train on your data" doesn't answer those questions if you're using agents to find alpha, the research itself can be worth keeping private DM me or @TryBrickroad if ZDR is important to you
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