SNYDER: You can't imagine Trump or Hegseth visiting Kyiv. It's not that it's not going to happen. It's just unimaginable. It's psychically impossible for them. They can't be in a world where people are actually taking real risks for real things. That would be too much for them. They can't be in a place where there is courage. That would be opposed to just manipulating the rest of us with words, which is designed to make them look tough. They'd never take any risk for anything themselves. They believe that all talk of patriotism, democracy is just for show. These are people who fundamentally will just tell you what you want to hear in order to get what they want personally. For them, whole idea of democracy, and even national sovereignty, is all just a joke, right? Just a means to an end. When they're confronted by others for whom democracy or national sovereignty isn't a joke, who would fight for freedom. Not just use words like "fight for freedom," but who would, like Ukraine, do it, when they're confronted and are doing it. Have been doing it for 4 and a half years now, they don't have a way to respond besides scorn, spite, and dismissal. That's the only thing they can do, because they're in a world where those are all words, and it's all just words. When they're confronted with actual human beings, men and women who are actually taking risks, they're helpless. They have to get that topic off the table. They're only comfortable in a world where everybody is venal and hypocritical. Where everybody lies all the time. And so I think that's the fundamental thing: it's just really uncomfortable for them.