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Grayson Barger retweeted
It's good you included that picture because it has a good summary of Hurtado's view. He does not conflate invocation/prayer with worship, and he distinguishes "appeals to angels" generally from an ongoing devotional practice of praying to them in heaven. You led your audience to believe I was misrepresenting Hurtado when I was not.
For anyone following along, here is the full context: “In viewing this invocation of Jesus in historical perspective it is important to keep a clear focus. Although comparisons have been proposed with Jewish and pagan invocation of various deities and angels, these are actually dubious.49 First, the evidence cited for Jewish invocation of angels (e.g., in Hekhalot texts or the Paris Magical Papyrus) is from several centuries later than the NT texts, and so hardly comprises a context for them. In fact, there is no direct evidence of Jewish invocation of angels in material contemporary with or prior to the NT.50 Religious beliefs and practices change and develop in living religious traditions, so we need to use evidence with appropriate attention to chronology. Jews may have invoked angels in the first century C.E., but that remains to be shown.” Larry W. Hurtado, “The Place of Jesus in Earliest Christian Prayer and its Import for Early Christian Identity,” in Early Christian Prayer and Identity Formation, ed. Reidar Hvalvik and Karl Olav Sandnes, WUNT 336 (Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2014), 50.
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What is the actual difference between Protestants and Roman Catholics on faith and justification?
Where is the real disagreement on the question: “are we justified by faith alone?”
This clip is one of the most helpful breakdowns of the difference between Protestant and Catholic articulations of faith and justification. Both sides spend a lot of time critiquing mischaracterized views or even strawmen, and it doesn’t help the dialogue whatsoever. Guillaume Bignon (@gui_bignon_theo) has a really helpful explanation (on Gavin Ortlund’s @gavinortlund show a few years ago) and talks through this matrix he developed to narrow down where the real disagreement lies.
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The papacy is not of God if that happens. Just like magisterial contradictions couldn’t happen either.
Not commenting on the death penalty issue itself (I am no expert), but simply what would be the case if you concede this
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Every time I see Catholics worshipping relics on X, I think of this scene from the 2003 movie "Luther"
"As for myself, the priests assured me that by gazing at sacred relics, I could cut down my time in Purgatory. Luckily for me, Rome has enough nails from the Holy Cross to shoe every horse in Saxony. But there are relics elsewhere in Christendom. Eighteen out of twelve apostles are buried in Spain. And yet here in Wittenberg we have the pick of the crop… bread from the Last Supper, milk from the Virgin’s breast, a thorn that pierced Christ’s brow on Calvary, and 19,000 other bits of sacred bone. All authentic, ancient, sacred relics.”
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The mind and heart of the consistent Papist rests solely on all things except God.
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We don’t have the Aramaic. And Jesus could have been speaking Greek for all we know.
The author wrote in Greek and chose Greek. Some read and understand the Greek.
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Thomists, Scotists, Augustinians, Dominicans, Franciscans, Benedictines, Salesians, Norbertines hardest hit.
Grayson Barger retweeted
Divini Illius Magistri says otherwise lol:
anglicanaesthetics.substack.…
MF: “Where did the term Roman Catholic come from?”
Jimmy Akin: “It originated as an insult. And when it’s used by people like James in preference to the word Catholic—which is the Catholic Church’s preferred self-designation—then it retains the connotation of an insult.”
youtu.be/uZ_OCcanNv0?is=alpK…
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"Luther significantly noted how the regenerate are accepted by God not only as to person, but also as to works. The man shall be called and be righteous and holy, both as to his Person and as to his Works.
For there is here a twofold acceptance, both of person and also of works. For through faith, not only the person itself is reconciled to God, Eph. 1:6, but also its works, so that they not only please and are acceptable to God, but also the adhering imperfection, in itself damnable, is not imputed, because on account of Christ apprehended by faith it is remitted and covered, Ps. 32:1. Where it is to be noted, however, that the acceptance of works follows, and does not precede, the acceptance of the person. For the person is not rendered pleasing and acceptable through inherent righteousness or good works, but in the order of nature the person is first pleasing and acceptable. Afterwards, from the pleasing Person, a pleasing obedience is also rendered to God, and from the pleasing Person the works also please."—Johann Benedict Carpzov, Isagoge in libros ecclesiarum lutheranarum symbolicos
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This is Duck Lips Muslim Orthodox guy when he doesn't get to do what he tries to do in EVERY DEBATE (Even his own followers say he does in his own comments lol).
He ends up RUNNING bc he is not intelligent enough to defend his religion. He'd rather obfuscate. I didn't let him.
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Proverbs 5:19: "let her breasts satisfy thee at all times; and be thou ravished always with her love."
Thomists: "we distinguish..."
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This is like those videos Mohammedans made of cats that would not walk on the Quran, lol.
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The Church Fathers had a dialectical approach to miracles, and in Augustine's On the Unity of the Church below, he rejected the miracles of the Donatists, encouraged a circumspect approach to the same, and then argued that we should not look to miracles to identify the Church.
Redeemed Zoomer claims that the fathers "almost never" used miracles to distinguish the true Church from heretics/schismatics. This claim is completely unsustainable seeing as the Fathers of the Church constantly used contemporary miracles as vindicative, evidential proofs of the true Church against heresy. St. Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Origen, and Lactantius appeal to contemporary miracles against Jews and pagans. Even clearer, St. Irenaeus explicitly contrasts the genuine miracles of the universal Church with the counterfeits of Gnostic heretics, saying the Church possesses innumerable gifts exercised "day by day," whereas Simon, Menander, Carpocrates, and the rest cannot produce the same works. Athanasius does exactly what RZ says no father does against the Arians. After Arius dies immediately before being forcibly admitted to communion, Athanasius says that "the Lord Himself judging" the controversy "condemned the Arian heresy, showing it to be unworthy of communion with the Church" (Athanasius, Letter on the Death of Arius), and asks, "After such a sign given, who do not now acknowledge, that the heresy is hated of God?" Ambrose appeals to the public healings and exorcisms at the relics of certain martyrs SPECIFICALLY against the Arians, arguing that their miracles show the martyrs "were of another faith than that which [the Arians] believe." Sts. Gregory the Great and Gregory of Tours utilize miracle claims against the Arians of their day as well. I included even MORE quotations in this video for reference. The point is, the Church Fathers ABSOLUTELY used miracles as genuine signs capable of vindicating the Catholic faith against heresy (which is precisely what RZ claims they didn't do). Even though this isn't the ONLY argument they used, it is still a valid motive of credibility used by the fathers (and therefore by the Catholic Church of our day).