
π¦ Indigo Ethylene π¦ We produce plastic for 50% cheaper. ex-@xAI || Berkeley Physics
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Plastic.
I produce it for 50% cheaper than China.
We import $15B of it.
China's dominance in the plastic trade will end by my hand and I swear to God I will replace every single Chinese product on our shelves.
- πΊπΈ Indigo Ethylene
The ethylene must flow.
Replying to @jakobdiepen
Indigo Ethylene (indigoethylene.com) β 50% cheaper plastic production
@GarrowGeer 's working unit already produces ethylene, the precursor to plastic, for half the cost. Co-founder: 13 years in catalyst R&D, expert in oxidative dehydrogenation.
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This old Boomer is FURIOUS that a strapping young lad like Denver Rayburn runs a company far more successfully than he can, and poor old Molson, instead of focusing on his struggling plastic toy business and sourcing 50% cheaper plastic from a reliable local producer (Molson my DMs are open) Molson spent his ENTIRE weekend demanding that Twitter users make him a video tutorial to explain how to run a successful business.
Poor Old Molson and his struggling plastic toy business.
@DenverRayburn @fw_automation @JoshuaSteinman
I will pay you $1000 if you show us the following:
1. Video of the sweaters being knit in Los Angeles
2. Where the machines are made that make those sweaters via
3. The box holding the cotton thread showing where its made
@fw_automation @JoshuaSteinman @DenverRayburn
My argument wasn't about the sweater, but here's your opportunity to show us all how you're reindustrializing America with a knit sweater.
You've multiple times claimed its profitable at $16, so please tell us:
1. Material cost for the 2XL sweater
2. Rent in Los Angeles
3. Shipping cost
4. Packaging
Again, it's not about the sweater. I'm speaking generally, but if you want to make it about the sweater, show us!
It's cool right?
Sorry forgetting confused for thinking that the $320 sweater was "the real one", which apparently is... made in Portugal? Why are they still selling at $320, but you're sold out by the way? If it's your design, why are you allowing that?
And that "the real one" is sold out for me and has a woman wearing it who is either AI or photoshop or both. What's that about?
It's confusing, so show us, and I'll pay you $1000!
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I've toured the factory, you're about to lose $1,000.
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successful robotic automation for different problems will need different actuators/reducers and to find the right answer it requires connecting the intent -> design -> manufacturing data -> performance data and back 1/
I've spent years in China building robots. I can tell you this playbook won't work:
Pre-seed $: Invent the ultimate actuator.
Seed $$: Figure out mass production.
The hard part isn't inventing a beautiful topology. It's process engineering.
The real delta between the US and China is the ability to execute the enormous amount of physical x mental work required to iterate thousands of times on product designs and manufacturing processes. Partly because much of the tacit knowledge / management systems has left the US, but also because of the sheer human labor required.
This isn't something you can solve by buying traditional automation lines either. It requires:
1. Ideation driven by human intuition. Walking up and down the line, talking to assembly workers, and developing hypotheses about what and where improvements can be made. Raw human hours and attention spent understanding a specific manufacturing process.
2. Large batches of experiments across multiple variables. Coordinating experiments that can easily involve 50+ people, issuing instructions, and tracking the execution and results of each experiment.
3. Purpose-built test design to identify key metrics. For example, a change in gear hobbing profile might require accelerated aging tests on a dyno, while a change in bearing tolerance might require NVH testing.
4. Data + human intuition-driven analysis. Interpreting test results and deciding whether to implement a process change or run the next set of experiments.
5. Strict process control. Reissuing work instructions to the line and ensuring every process is followed to the letter.
The best manufacturers in Asia, from Foxconn to TSMC, have built their competitive advantage on systematically turning thousands of physical experiments into better manufacturing processes.
Their moat isn't just production scale. It's the organizational machinery that makes manufacturing learn and improve faster than anyone else.
I don't think most people in SF clock this.
Say you're manufacturing actuator gears in-house in the US. After you've made your first article, will you hire a team of 10 process engineers to coordinate the 50 technicians running concurrent experiments with designs, processes, and materials?
To understand wear patterns across every pin in a cycloidal drive after 10,000 hours? To reduce backlash from 15 arcmin to 5, then to 1? Just to keep pace with China's progress over the next few years?
Do you have the skill set and management systems in place to do this?
That's why our approach isn't just to automate manufacturing. It's to automate the process of learning how to manufacture better.
Automate simulation and design optimization.
Automate assembly and physical testing.
Automate the design and execution of process experiments.
Feed real-world experimental data back into simulation to continuously improve sim-to-real accuracy.
The goal is to turn what currently takes 50 engineers coordinating thousands of experiments into a closed-loop system that continuously learns and improves.
Then the same robotic line mass-manufactures the product.
PS: Coming back to actuator design, many actuator designs are already commoditized in China. The project in the video is open source, and CNC machining cost in China is just $27 (watch the video).
I hope people understand this reality. I'll link more examples in the replies.
This Boomer is so old he can't type "reindustrialize sweater" into his browser to see that it actually costs $16 and he wants to lecture us on reindustrialization?
Molson, you sell cheap plastic toys.
I have the cheapest plastic on Earth.
I could give you discounts you wouldn't believe.
You want to reindustrialize?
DM me.
Reindustrialization isnβt buying a $320 made in the USA sweater that can be bought for less than $10 in multiple other countries.
Itβs not about getting a billion dollar valuation on your startup that has never built a real product that has a multi-million dollar contract from a government that spent 2 trillion more than it took in this year.
Itβs not about looking cool** and itβs not about getting asset-price rich on mystery money.
Reindustrialization is about 4 things.
Until we have those 4, it ainβt going to happen.
Let me tell you a short story.
We had a supplier in China with a coal boiler.
The coal boiler belched dark soot into the air.
One day the government came in and said βyou canβt use your coal boiler anymore. Replace it with a natural gas one; the coal is dirtying up the air.β
The factory would have to shut down for months.
No money for the boss.
No work for the employees.
And no orders for me.
βHow long will the orders be delayed?β
βThey wonβt.β
βAnd how will you do that?β
βDonβt worry about it.β
The orders shipped on time.
How?
The factory switched to working nights.
The black smoke from the coal boiler couldnβt be seen in the dark night sky.
At the same time they installed a new natural gas boiler during the day.
By the way, this boiler was bigger than two semi trailer trucks side by side, literally it is beyond most peopleβs comprehension.
And thatβs the point.
Reindustrialization is beyond peoplesβ comprehension in America.
1. You need to have a government that does the right thing
2. You need to have factory ownership that is hungry for business
3. You need to have workers who are willing to make big sacrifices
4. And then everyone around them needs to be able tolerate the black smoke from the coal boiler
We donβt have any of these things today.
Will that change?
Maybe, but overpriced sweaters and billion dollar valuations on vaporware is not how weβre going to get there.
Elon just announced a flying car.
I'm not shitposting.
It's literally a flying car that can fly.
It's on his website and you can pre-order it right now for $50,000.
There are future billionaires in this photo and you can literally just talk to them. I saw one hire a guy on the spot for having a firm handshake. Like something out of a Boomer myth.
This is escalating very rapidly, and I am worried for Masha's safety.
Anyone who has knowledge of Masha's whereabouts please call this number immediately so we can get her the care and protection she needs:
866-347-2423
Immigration & Customs Enforcement
Replying to @isaiah_p_taylor
Isaiah, after everything weβve been through together Iβm surprised that you would publicize our disagreement in this fashion. But since you have created public interest in this, it is important that people should hear both sides of the story.
Day One has been a major investor in Valar from the beginning, and we have never wavered in our belief that the company will be a success. This faith and support in our founders is why fourteen Day One founders have become limited partners in Day Oneβs most recent fund.
In 2024, Day One invested in Valarβs seed round. Later that year, Valar required a seed extension after miscalculations by management regarding the capital needs of the business. Day One stepped in to provide this seed extension, saving the company in a difficult time.
When it came time to raise a Series A, Valar spent several weeks on the market without success. At Valarβs request, Day One then offered the first term sheet and co-led the Series A, again saving the company during a time when deep tech startups in highly regulated industries were a difficult sell in venture capital.
Then when Valar needed a Series A extension, Isaiah asked that Day One waive our pro rata rights so as to make a tenuous financing deal work out. We agreed for the good of the company.
As part of these transactions, Valar agreed that, if their long-shot effort to build nuclear energy as a startup did succeed, Day One would have rights to participate in future rounds that could not be eliminated without Day Oneβs consent. This was a fair bargain at a time when Day One took extraordinary risks by betting against the market when Valarβs future appeared highly uncertain. Following the achievement of criticality on June 18th, our faith has been validated. Valar went from being an obscure company to a hot startup. We congratulate the Valar team on their hard won success!
Of course, when it came time for Valar to raise a Series B after achieving such success, Day One expected to participate in that round β as both parties had agreed. But at this point the normally positive communications between Day One and Valar took a negative turn. Valar insisted that Day One give up all of its future pro rata rights despite the partiesβ agreements, and despite four out of six major investors participating in the Series B round without waiving. This went against both the letter and the spirit of our deal, so we did not agree. In decades of investing we have waived pro-rata rights dozens of times, but no other company has ever demanded that we give up all of our rights for all future rounds.
We told Isaiah we would give up a majority of our pro-rata in the Series B round so as to not make his life difficult, to which he responded βYou cannot make my life difficult, I can make your life difficult.β It was at this point that we sought representation with Quinn Emanuel to protect the firm and the interests of our limited partners.
Day One has since learned of a significant secondary equity sale by Isaiah from which we were excluded. Our attempts to gain insights into this through our information rights have been stymied by Valar management, who have refused to produce material documents requested by Day One. After weeks of delay on these documents, Valar management alerted us this Wednesday that they intend to pursue legal action against Day One unless we waive our legal rights forever.
We have always pursued positive and mutually beneficial relationships with all of our portfolio companies. We have neither taken nor threatened legal action against Valar, and in fact we told them explicitly that we have no interest in doing so. Valar voluntarily entered into a contract with Day One, then violated that contract, and is now suing Day One.
We are deeply disappointed by this recent erratic turn, but are still proud of our early and continued support of Valar. We look forward to the clarity from the courts that Valarβs management is seeking.
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The @DiscipulusVent Fall Cohort just wrapped up in Gundo. πΊπΈ
Joined by @isaiah_p_taylor, @shaunmmaguire, @ADoricko & more throughout the week.
9 hardtech teams building for the American Interest. Companies below π§΅π
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Indigo Ethylene (indigoethylene.com) β 50% cheaper plastic production
@GarrowGeer 's working unit already produces ethylene, the precursor to plastic, for half the cost. Co-founder: 13 years in catalyst R&D, expert in oxidative dehydrogenation.
π© [email protected]
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.@DiscipulusVent Demo Day is Tomorrow πΊπΈ
Here is a sneak peak from this last week...
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π¨ LIVE from DAY FOUR of the @discipulusvent Cohort in Gundo.
One of the Most Overlooked Part of the US Supply Chain: @shaunmmaguire, Partner at @sequoia
We cover:
> Why chemicals are the forgotten layer of the economy
> Energy β raw materials β chemicals: the base of everything
> A ~$5T/year industry that's an input to almost everything
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Neo-industrial textile mill showroom w/ @DenverRayburn, 2026.
@fw_automation
π El Segundo, CA
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This is major theme of our upcoming Demo Day.
You canβt scale defense without a robust manufacturing base.
More coming Wednesdayβ¦
"America's defense-tech renaissance is well underway⦠Yet raising capital and winning development contracts aren't what ultimately matter for great defense companies. What matters is production and fielding at scale."
"Silicon Valley has largely overlooked that base: we haven't funded enough of the manufacturers and supply chain beneath these companies."
"That gap is a national security liability. It is also a generational opportunity for American capital."
"Tier 2 and 3 suppliers, the layer technology hasn't touched, sit grossly underpriced⦠That is the whitespace. That's the investment opportunity."
"We are entering a new age of manufacturing, one that may be inspired by Silicon Valley, but will be built across Middle America."
@ConnorLoveCA and Collen Larson on The Case for the American Manufacturing Asset Class: a16z.news/p/the-case-for-theβ¦






























