History Graduate📚 Historical Sciences and Languages and Civilizations of Asia student at @UNI_FIRENZE Reading in 🇮🇹🇺🇲🇯🇵 and a bit of 🇰🇷🇨🇳 He/Him
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Iscritto al #drindrin.
Voglio darmi da fare, anche se a livello basso, a livello locale.
Voglio smuovere questo paese ed i miei coetanei.
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It does depend who that translation is for.
I've never said you can't have something "accurate" (we need to define the term though).
If a publisher wants a Shakespeare Translation, it can be in 5000 different ways depending on target.
Is it for Kids? School? University...?
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...since the shift can be in:
1) Space (kinda obvious)
2) Time (translating Genji Monogatari or Kokinshu in current japanese means operating choices on classical language)
3) Cultural Gap/Unfamiliarity
4) Age/Specifics of the target
And much more... 2/2
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It all depends on target.
A thesis needs a very different terminology compared to a book for general audience.
It greatly depends on the target the publisher wants to aim for and the editorial guidelines they give you.
In 99.9% of cases translations have shifted audiences.. 1/2
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È 20 anni che l'AI ha risolto gli scacchi, che è a tutti gli effetti un Real Time Strategy Game.
Non mi pare si sia smesso di giocarci.
La sfida è tra umani, ci sarà sempre da migliorare.
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What Is said in the Lines before or after, what Is the consistent style.
If the same info Is conveyed in other parts of the dialogue...
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Even then, there are different schools of translation (foreignization vs domestication) and you also have to take into consideration the audience It wants to target (usually not the core One, that Will buy regardless, but a wider public)
I dont say i approve, but It is complex
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Exactly like...even if that Translation is infact bad (i think we still Need the context but we can assume It by exampl), It means that guy did their job poorly, not that the job Is useless or harmful.
There are bad pros. Yeah. Absolutely. They Need to be called out with context
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Also you Say fan Translation is really accurate while It ignores One entire sentence.
I think It Is potentially a good choice, It improves the flow and wouldn't add that much in a culture not so attentive to self restraint.
But still これからは我慢しなくていいんだね is removed.
3) The target audience is different, so editors ask them to adapt based on market analysis for wider appeal, not Just core fans
4) They might Just be Better, not all pro translators are good, like not fan translators are
5) The pro translator might Just be bad
WE NEED CONTEXT
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1) They dont have editorial guidelines - requests (editors can ask you to give specific feels and quirks to characters...)
2) They might go line-by-line (It May work here, but might work much worse in more complex dynamics or sentence patterns/dialogue)
3)...
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It is precisely cuz it is about the message and the whole feeling/dynamic (even though it is arguable for some Translation schools, cuz there is a foreignization vs domestication debate) that we would Need to read everything.
Only then we can critique with enough context.
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...we just dont know. Showing three Lines of dialogue in successione proves nothing.
Is this a bad Translation? Maybe, I do not defend Who does their job badly. But we Just dont have enough info or context.
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How do you know that in the Lines of dialogue before or after we dont have more context?
I can assure you, we DO NOT translate one line by the other.
Se Need to see the whole text, the whole script. Can this be something more artistic inserted to be stylistically accurate...
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Yes.
A Translation made by Experts for Experts CANNOT AND WILL NOT be the same as One for a general audience.
If I translate a part of Genji Monogatari for my Master thesis can NEVER be the same I would do for my family or Friends.
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Also we Just dont have enough info.
In a vacuum all 3 translations are fine or lacking in One way or another
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It depends on the broader context
As far as I can see, all 3 translation have choices. None have ALL of what is in the original japanese.
They focus in different parts, you would Need to know why and what were the editorial guidelines.
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Translators are always in front of choices. Source material can NEVER be the same once it's translated. Also Translation theory is complex and u have lots of different schools.
I'm not here to defend incompetent translators, but it's a given that IT can not and never be neutral.
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